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To: Jvette
If I am wrong, prove it. Post the Scripture that calls anyone other than Jesus the child of Mary.

So what...The bible doesn't say the bible is the bible but we know it's the bible...The bible doesn't say Trinity but we know it's in there...Besides, we know Psalm 69 is a Psalm about Jesus...And Jesus again, says this:

Psa 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

Mary's children, not Joseph's...

Two of the “brothers” mentioned in Matthew 13, James and Joses or Joseph, are elsewhere named as the sons of Mary, the wife of Cleopas who is Mary’s sister or sister in law or possible even a cousin.

No, there are no children named as the sons of Mary, wife of Cleophas...

And Mary is not Mary's sister...There's a comma in there...Mary's sister is not named...

In the story of Easter morning, when the women go to the tomb to anoint Jesus, Mary is called the mother of James. This obviously could not be Jesus’ mother who is always identified with her Son. Further proof that the James mentioned in Matthew is not Mary’s son.

All it is is logic, and poor logic it is...

Mat_27:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.

Mar_15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.

Mar_15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

Mar_16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

These other Marys are all the same person, the mother of Jesus...There was no need to write the names of Mary's 8 other children every time Mary was mentioned...Besides, God expects people to do a bit of study to get to the meat of things...

181 posted on 04/15/2014 5:04:40 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Iscool

That explanation makes no sense. The other Marys were all the same person? I don’t think so. The writers made every effort to distinguish between them. One way was to name their children.

Mary, the mother of Jesus is so distinguished as are Mary the Magdelene and also, Mary, the wife of Cleopas. It would be odd for the writer to mention that Mary was the mother of James and Salome when she was always identified as the mother Lord.

Let’s look at the passage regarding those at the foot of the cross...

John 19:25 These things therefore the soldiers did. But there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

The comma to which you refer was place there to distinguish his mother’s sister which was Mary the wife of Clopas.

If I were to ask, “Who was at the foot of the cross?” and only Mary’s sister was there the response would read, “Mary, the wife of Clopas, was at the foot of the cross.

The comma doesn’t mean that his mother’s sister and Mary the wife of Clopas were different people. Rather the comma sets apart the identity of his mother’s sister.

Note how the rest of the sentence is structured with an and placed between each of the women present. The mother of Jesus, AND his mother’s sister, Mary wife of Clopas, AND Mary Magdelene.

Now, if Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the mother of James and was called so on the morning of the Resurrection, why is she again referred to as Mary, the mother of Jesus in ACTS and not the mother of James who the passage mentions by name? Because James is named as the son of Alphaeus, who some have said is the same man as Cleopas or Clospas.

Your reasoning doesn’t hold up when looking at other verses, just as I said. The two James are identified by their fathers, Zebedee and Cleopas(Alphaeus).

In Mark, when his “brothers and sisters” are mentioned what does Jesus say?

Mark 6:4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

Notice he refers to these “brothers and sisters” as his kin, which makes sense if Mary, the wife of Clopas, was his mother’s sister, sister in law or cousin.

All in all, your case is weak and not SOLIDLY supported in Scripture just as I said in the post to which you replied.

That is why I lean to the understanding of the earliest Christian thinkers and writers who were much closer to the actual time and events than those protestants of the last few hundred years who sought to disprove Catholicism.


198 posted on 04/15/2014 8:12:03 PM PDT by Jvette
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