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To: annalex

This is yet another example of a goodly thing being held up -- while slight but subtle change of identity has been made, with that change being the [ ] bracketed word "them" which is swapped out for the more precisely expressed as comes through translation into English word --- "you".

In the context from which it is derived, namely chapter 2 of Paul's epistle to the Philippians, that "you" (which you changed to a "them") was none other than the Philippians to whom the letter was addressed.

From the link, quoting there from Young's Literal Translation;

9 wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that [is] above every name,

10 that in the name of Jesus every knee may bow -- of heavenlies, and earthlies, and what are under the earth --

11 and every tongue may confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 So that, my beloved, as ye always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, with fear and trembling your own salvation work out,

13 for God it is who is working in you both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

14 All things do without murmurings and reasonings,

15 that ye may become blameless and harmless, children of God, unblemished in the midst of a generation crooked and perverse, among whom ye do appear as luminaries in the world,


800 posted on 04/09/2014 9:38:11 PM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: BlueDragon
"you" (which you changed to a "them") was none other than the Philippians to whom the letter was addressed.

Right. That is because my quote was about the saints and not about you. All Pauline letters are addressed to some concrete set of recipients. We in the Catholic Church believe that the letters nevertheless are to be taken as an instruction to all of us, who are called to be saints. From Philippians 2:9-15, for example, we learn that sainthood is worked out in fear and trembling and with God's help. My conclusion, from the text, was that therefore when we venerate a saint we also worship God that made them so.

we all beholding the glory of the Lord with open face, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 3:18)

841 posted on 04/10/2014 5:50:34 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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