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To: Mad Dawg; redleghunter; BlueDragon
His contribution was that when all the thrashing around is done the only thing to say is something like "IHS is there -- body, blood, soul, divinity -- sacramentally."

Which Luterans and Anglicans say. But i is not the same, while the NT does not show the Lord's supper as being the source and summit of their faith, and the means of gaining spiritual and eternal life. The only manifest description of it focuses on the church as the body of Christ, showing the Lord death by its communal meal of sharing, as described here and the distinction briefly in many posts .

In my daily devotions I invoke her, but I invoke practically a whole baseball team of other friends a well. What she is in a big way, we can hope to be also, though probably not in such a big way. I think that's a fair statement of the Catholic attitude.

It is a fair statement, but totally absent from Scripture, in which the only intercessor btwn man and Heaven is Christ, who is the all-sufficient high priest who ever lives to make intercession for the saints (Heb. 7:25) - the only one said to do so in heaven - who is uniquely able to as One who was tempted in all points as we are, yet with sin. (Heb. 2:14-18; 4:14-16)

And as a mark of His deity souls are directed to call upon Him: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved," (Rm. 10:13) not saying Mary etc., and by whose blood the believer has direct access to the Father,(Heb. 10:19) whom the Lord directed us to address in prayer, and the Spirit cries to, (Gal. 4:6) and Paul knelt before, (Eph. 3:14) and no one else.

All of which has been said, while RC supper for PTDS must resort to arguments from silence and erroneous extrapolation.

249 posted on 04/03/2014 5:47:47 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; Elsie
(This summoning of the tribes is interesting. What does it portend?)

For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. (Or words to that effect.) I don't think the identification of the Sacrament with the Church, the Body of Christ, is exclusive.

My post, though, was about my earlier objection to the word “physically” in discussing Eucharistic teaching. You said I would be rebuked, and even though I skimmed an article yesterday in which a Jesuit used the word, the friar agreed with me that it seemed to be more about what we would call accidents than about substance.

Physical things are mass and motion and the like. These are the accidents of a thing, not its substance. A chair is a chair whether it is light or heavy, in motion or at rest. “Chairness” has neither weight nor speed.

As to the rest, you pray with your friends, and I'll pray with mine.

250 posted on 04/03/2014 7:22:04 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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