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To: Mad Dawg
Actually, we do refer to "Anne" as the grandmother of God sometimes.

Both "mother of" and "grandmother of' most naturally convey ontological oneness, and the frequent and unqualified use of which, and as part of the supererogatory praise given to Mary, constitutes thinking of her above that which is written. (cf. 1Cor. 4:6) For in contrast to the Mary of Scripture, the Mary of Catholicism cannot be honored to excess, and in the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, then among other thongs, it is taught by Catholics *


201 posted on 04/01/2014 3:34:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Aw, come on, friend! Pick one. You know this tactic as well as I. Attack across a broad front so that a book must be written in reply.

But in general, I do see that the REAL difference between, on side side, Orthodox and Catholics and, on the other, y'all is a difference over the Incarnation.

I will only say that to the extent that "mother" implies "ontological oneness" the and the mystery of the Incarnation is laid before us.

The hermeneutic is in the Chalcedonian definition. And ONE thing that means is that we can't do Xtological theology in sound bites anymore ... and so we can't do Mariology that way either.

If he REALLY was a baby, then he, in some sense, is owed milk, and, in another, owes gratitude to her who provided it. And so for all the ὕλη of which he is made.

As Son of God He is eternal. As Son of Mary he is sempiternal. But he is one and not two, so Mary fed God, and heart the beat of God's heart.
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(P.S.: I think we do better to stick with "really," "truly," and "substantially," in trying to depict what Catholics teach about the Eucharist. "Actually" is a very complicated word, IMHO.)
(P.P.S.: I do see the possible connection between the hypostatic union as articulated at Chalcedon and the teaching of the Sacrament.)
(P.P.P.S.: I think the real theological hinge is at John of Damascus.)

207 posted on 04/01/2014 4:34:33 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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