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>>>How could it be said that Jerusalem sit up on many waters? They have a big problem staying in control of their own land.<<<

What does "many waters" mean? Where can I find that in the scriptures?

>>>In times past the Church shared power with many kings and in some cases even controlled them.<<<

I am unsure how the catholic church is relevant, unless it killed all the prophets.

>>>Golden cup? wine? communion?<<<

I believe the cup is in reference to a prophecy by Jeremiah where God sent the armies of ancient Babylon against ancient Jerusalem and the cities of Judah (Jer 25.) The cup was in remembrance of the first desolation of Jerusalem, I presume:

"And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath." (Rev 14:8)

>>>Does it read that the blood of the saints was on her hands? no, it says she was drunken with the blood of the saints. Could it be she was falsely representing the saints and therefore drunken (figuratively speaking) on the blood that they shed?<<<

It says that Babylon the Great was responsible for the blood of the saints, and the prophets; like Jerusalem.

"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth." (Rev 18:24, KJV)

>>>While it is true that Rome itself sits on and around the seven hills and was surrounded by a wall the Vatican is in Rome. The mother Church and her daughters are the only ones that fit the bill, we can see a lot just by reading a little history.<<<

All this is meaningless unless the Papacy is responsible for the blood of all the prophets, which it is not, nor ever shall be. We have been fresh out of prophets since the first century. Besides the great city, Babylon the Great sat on a scarlet colored beast; and on seven mountains, not hills. Ancient Jerusalem sat on seven mountains.

>>>Who is God talking to here? he says my people, are we who are reading his word and wondering about it his people? i think so.<<<

He was talking to the early Christians to get out of Jerusalem. It appeared to be a follow-through of his warnings in the Olivet Discourse of Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13, where he warned Christians to get out of Judea when they saw certain signs.

>>>Why would he be telling his people to come out of Israel, or parts of the Muslim world? why would he feel the need to?<<<

There were no Muslims in the first century.

>>>He is telling us to come out of something we love and even worship.<<<

In the first century Christians were being persecuted and murdered by the Jews of Jerusalem, and elsewhere. That is part of the reason it was destroyed. It had some other ghastly deeds in its resume: the blood of all the prophets; all the righteous blood since Abel; the murder of Christ; etc..

>>>The Church and her daughters are all over the world, many waters which represent multitudes of people.<<<

You have absolutely no proof of that. If you did, I would not have started this thread.

Philip

What does “many waters” mean? Where can I find that in the scriptures?

Rev 17
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And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

I am unsure how the catholic church is relevant, unless it killed all the prophets.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

He did not see a vision of killing saints he saw something that he admired.

That is possible but look at rev 17:
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And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

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And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

The ten horns as it states in verse 12 had no kingdom at that time.

It says that Babylon the Great was responsible for the blood of the saints, and the prophets; like Jerusalem.

“And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.” (Rev 18:24, KJV)

I don,t see how found and responsible can have the same meaning.

All this is meaningless unless the Papacy is responsible for the blood of all the prophets, which it is not, nor ever shall be.

There again, found and responsible are not the same, it appears to me the great whore is living in luxury on the claims that she is the woman that was taken into the wilderness for 1260 days but it is not.

This is meaningless because the ten kings who are to destroy the whore had no kingdom yet, rev 17:12

There were no Muslims in the first century.

But we are living in the 21st century.

>>>The Church and her daughters are all over the world, many waters which represent multitudes of people.<<<

I just showed you
rev 17:15