ROFLOL!!! They were just fine when you thought they agreed with you but now not so much ey? Well, let me help ya out there.
http://www.americanpresbyterianchurch.org/?p=3079
Under “Here we will deal with the partial preterism, from this point on designated just preterism.”
So when he says Preterist from this point he’s talking about those who use the 70ad meme.
We have seen how far the preterist gangrene has spread. Very little teaching on the second coming remains after preterism has consumed most of the New Testament prophecies. Many preterists such as Gentry, DeMar, and Sproul, are not yet full preterists. Not yet. One full-blown preterist was J. Stuart Russell, who taught that the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ have all been fulfilled in the past. All was fulfilled in A.D. 70, J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia: A Critical Inquiry into the New Testament Doctrine of Our Lord’s Second Coming, with an introduction by R. C. Sproul. Russell’s heretical hyperpreterist gangrene is deadly. Like Hymenaeus and Philetus, Russell, who lived in the 19th century, was guilty of profane and vain babblings and has increased unto more ungodliness, (II Tim. 2:16-18). Like Hymenaeus and Philetus, Russell’s word eats like gangrene. In spite of Russell’s heresy even partial preterists praise his writings. Although Gentry refers to Russell as an advocate of “radical preterism,” he still praises The Parousia as “masterfully written,” even though Paul calls his doctrine heresy! Gentry, He Shall Have Dominion, a Post-millennial Eschatology, pg 270-271.
As a minister of Christ, I must write what I believe to be true with regard to this subject. I do so, but with no joy in my heart, because I know that I am criticizing many that I love in the Lord. I feel it is my duty to call attention to what I believe to be error in the teaching of the partial preterism
Kenneth Gentry admits that “it is true that [Christ] will come at the end of history, bringing about the resurrection and the judgment (Acts 1:11, I Thess. 4:13ff., I Cor. 15:20-26),” Gentry, The Beast of Revelation, pg 25. Chilton condemns a denial of any future bodily resurrection or judgment as “a heretical form of preterism,” Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation, pg 531. The question is, will the preterist gangrene end here or will it develop into full preterism? Let us beware that the preterist gangrene does not overthrow the faith and the hope of the Church.
That hope is the Second Coming of the Jesus Christ. Why is eschatology important? It is important because it influences the interpretation of so many passages of Scripture. About 30 per cent of Scripture is prophecy. It is also important because the church is in danger of neglecting the doctrine of Christ’s coming again. The Lord exhorts us to watch. In the parable of the ten virgins all ten, representing the visible church, slumbered and slept. During the interval between the first and second coming of Christ the whole church will be in danger of ignoring to a great extent Christ’s personal return to earth. His Apostles likewise exhorts awake thou that sleepest, Eph 5:14. The preterists do not look for Christ’s second advent any time soon. Chilton thinks it may be 1000’s of years away. Are not he and his fellow preterist’s slumbering and sleeping? Do they have their lamps trimmed?
>>>They were just fine when you thought they agreed with you but now not so much ey? Well, let me help ya out there<<<
Where did I say that I was fine with them, “Saint” Cynical? In my very first response to you on that “church,” I concluded:
“They are about as “official” for Presbyterians as the Federal Express is part of the Federal Government. You do understand that analogy, don’t you. “Saint” Cynical?”
It seems you didn’t read my entire response, or you just didn’t understand.
Philip
You can’t "help me out" by quoting them, “Saint” Cynical! They are premillennialists! They have already proven they don’t understand either the Olivet Discourse, or the Revelation.
And why exactly are you quoting them? These new-age "Presbyterians" reject your new-age doctrine, as well. Their doctrine is only a half-step away from dispensationalism, yet they reject it? The only way I can explain that is they have adopted some of the dispensational "rules," such as, "my way or the highway." LOL!
BTW, your pretense that my ideology should be similar to theirs because they claim to be Presbyterians is just plain bizarre. They are new-age. I am closer to the conservative reformed Presbyterian, like Otis and Gentry.
The self-proclaimed "minister," wrote:
>>>Very little teaching on the second coming remains after preterism has consumed most of the New Testament prophecies.<<<
What he is really saying is, "If this gets around that means no more doom and gloom scare tactics, and no more scare tactics means no more book sales!"
>>>Although Gentry refers to Russell as an advocate of “radical preterism,” he still praises The Parousia as “masterfully written,” even though Paul calls his doctrine heresy! Gentry, He Shall Have Dominion, a Post-millennial Eschatology, pg 270-271.<<<
I agree with Gentry on this one. John Stuart Russell's "Parousia" is masterfully written; though, like Gentry I believe his interpretation of Rev 20 is incorrect. I would still recommend everyone read it, like I recommend reading Matthew Henry's commentaries. I don't have to agree with someone 100% to find an occasionally gem hidden in their work(s.)
You will not find that kind of scholarship by a dispensational author: they have to twist and contort scriptural time contexts too much to ever write objectively and masterfully.
>>> As a minister of Christ, I must write what I believe to be true with regard to this subject. I do so, but with no joy in my heart, because I know that I am criticizing many that I love in the Lord. Yet, I feel it is my duty to call attention to what I believe to be error in the teaching of the partial preterism.<<<
My duty? Such arrogance! As a premillennialist, he has already proven he can't interpret the scripture objectively. Premillennialists, like the dispensationalist, must spiritualize all time contexts for their schemes to work. Ask them to interpret the following verse and watch them run for cover:
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." (Mat 16:27-28 KJV)
It does not get any clearer than that; but many will figure out a way to explain it away and deny the plain and clear words of Christ.
>>>The preterists do not look for Christ’s second advent any time soon. Chilton thinks it may be 1000’s of years away. Are not he and his fellow preterist’s slumbering and sleeping? Do they have their lamps trimmed?<<<
What he is really saying, "If it is a thousand years away, how am I going to sell my books?"
Another thing he will not tell you is that Jesus told his disciples to "watch!" Why would Jesus tell them to "watch" if they were going to be in a grave for thousands of years? Can you not see how much violence has been done to the scriptures by the time-spiritualizers?
BTW, I personally hope Christ comes soon. Satan, since being loosed out of prison, has done tremendous damage to the Church and western cultures.
Philip