Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: PhilipFreneau
>>Did Jesus say He was the Father, or not?<<

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I>/b>.

Now, who did Jesus pray to?

170 posted on 03/25/2014 9:38:24 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 160 | View Replies ]


To: CynicalBear
>>Did Jesus say He was the Father, or not?<<

>>>John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I>/b>.<<<

>>>Now, who did Jesus pray to?<<<

That is a good question, but you did not answer my question. You grabbed one verse that supported your position and presented it. That is barely a cursory examination.

How about the following verses, taken in context:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1 KJV)

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14 KJV)

"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." (John 1:10 KJV)

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:3 KJV)


That sounds like Jesus created the heaven and the earth and all its host. Of course, we can find "evidence" that Jesus is not the Father; and he did not claim to be the father at all times when he was on earth in the form of sinful flesh; that is, he didn't brag about it. But then there is this:

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:44 KJV)


So, no one can come to Jesus except the Father draw him. And we have these:

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:" (John 3:14 KJV)

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." (John 12:32 KJV)


So, who draws all men to Jesus: the Father, or Jesus himself? Or did the Father give all power, of drawing men to Jesus, after Jesus was lifted up? But if that is true, then the last day occurred before Jesus was lifted up? It is definitely confusing. Let's examine what Jesus said when pressed by Philip.

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" (John 14:9 KJV)


Frankly, knowing that Jesus created all things, and that he said he was the Father when pressed by Philip, I am sticking with Jesus being the Father.

Philip

177 posted on 03/25/2014 11:09:27 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 170 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson