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To: ebb tide
It's like concentric spheres. What is "outside" to a smaller set may be "inside" to a larger set.

Or more to the point, if the caucus wants to discuss Novus Ordo liturgical matters, it may consider other Catholics to be "outsiders" in that discussion even though it considers them "insiders" in discussing Daily Mass Readings, etc.

30 posted on 03/22/2014 7:15:30 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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I understand the concentric spheres concept. But who defines the spheres?

Take for instance your example of “Daily Mass Readings”. Traditional Roman Catholics, e.g. FFOTI, FFSP, ICK follow the traditional Catholic calendar; their daily Mass Readings are not the same as those posted on this forum; but I don’t see anybody complaining.


32 posted on 03/22/2014 7:46:50 PM PDT by ebb tide
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Dear Religion Moderator,

The problem with the “concentric circles” idea is that folks who even fit within various “concentric circles” might not all agree with each other.

I'm not a traditionalist, just an ordinary Catholic. So, I'm certainly eligible for the Catholic Caucus, or even a narrower “Novus Ordo” Caucus. I am, at times, critical of the words and deeds of the current pope. Are you going to have a “Catholic Novus Ordo - Uncritical of Pope Francis Caucus” label to exclude my joining a thread about Pope Francis in which I might offer criticisms? Or how about the fact that I don't like most modern liturgical music? Are you going to have a “Catholic Novus Ordo - Love Haugen & Haas Music Caucus”? I prefer to receive in the hand. A “Catholic Novus Ordo - Communion Reception on the Tongue Caucus”? I don't like to hold hands at the Our Father. A “Catholic Novus Ordo - Our Father Hand-Holders Caucus”?

And then, among those Catholics who like the newer music, if one dislikes “On Eagles Wings,” and another takes offense, are we going to see a label of “Catholic Novus Ordo - Post-VII Liturgical Music, ‘On Eagles Wings’ Lovers Only Caucus:?

C’mon. This is silly.

The reason why a Catholic Caucus label works is that there is something identifiable as the Catholic Church, and there are objective criteria which define one as a Catholic. Nonetheless, that group of persons which properly belong to the Catholic Church are not monolithic, all of one opinion on every topic.

Like markomalley said, if someone otherwise violates the posting rules by personal attack, etc., then deal with that person. But as you said, the caucus label is to prevent EXTERNAL disruption of the talk of the labeled group, not to prevent disagreement within the labeled group.

Excluding actual Catholics in complete communion with the Bishop of Rome from Catholic Caucus threads is not a good idea at all.


sitetest

35 posted on 03/22/2014 8:21:47 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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