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To: mdmathis6
>> “Listen there are 3 major points of view when it comes the rapture of the saints and the end all and be all. All have major points of scripture that seem to back them up...” <<

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Points of view are not scripture.

Scripture is clear on when the resurrection occurs. There is only one time stated in scripture, once by Yeshua in Matthew 24, and once by Paul in 1Corinthians 15. Both of them are in full agreement that the resurrection is at the last trump, at the end of the tribulation.

Matthew 24:

[11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1Corinthians 15:

[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


These scriptures are quite specific, and there is no room left for adding in opinions of men. If it isn't the way you like it, it still is not going to change.

There is no secret pre-trib rapture for those that do not wish to obey his commandments, and only those that endure to the end shall be saved.

222 posted on 03/22/2014 12:07:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

You have a point of view....and scripture to support your views. Yet unless God has decided to let you know the exact time and date everything is supposed to happen...then that is a point of view.

John 3:16 is the major corner stone of our faith...definitely not just a “point of view”. Learn to tell the difference!

Another point of caution. When Christ came upon the Earth, he came in a such a way that most learned priests with all their knowledge of OT scriptures just never expected. Oh they knew the it was about the right time but they but they were expecting thunderbolts and great portents with trumpets and the pesky old Romans being “dashed” like so much pottery. Yet he came quietly being born as a baby....an old prophetess Anna and an old man Simeon(who had been promised that he would see the baby Jesus before he died) were really the only two unsung heroes who understood what was happening and the significance of it all...two aged castoffs and some smelly shepherds the angels sang to one night. Then about 2 years later some strange wise men showed up as well. Only then was the cat out of the bag when Herod(or perhaps Satan himself),being told of the prophecies, seeing the young child as a threat tried to kill him in a blind scatter shot fashion by having all male children 2 and under in that region killed.

My point of caution is this....while all prophecies concerning the coming of the son of man will certainly come to pass...his coming may not conform with any of the ways we have traditionally viewed such prophecies. Yes we need be watchful and ready....yes the times certainly suggest his coming is near. God via his Son will certainly execute justice upon the Earth with 10 thousands of his saints as it says in Jude. The sealed prophecies of Daniel have yet to fully revealed but with the re-establishment of Israel as a nation, It is safe to say the cover has been blown open! Revelation says that only the Lamb of God was found worthy to open the seals. Hang onto your hats...it will be a wild ride and some things may not go the way we have traditionally interpreted them to occur...though when we compare what really happens to prophecy we’ll discover just how much more prophecy was correct and just how much more all of us were totally off in what we were expecting.

Simeon and Anna also bring to mind another important lesson...The Holy Spirit had already impressed upon them both his plan in a private sort of way that he didn’t with the learned priests at large. God may well have such folks in place in this day and age....(no I don’t claim any special knowledge) Simeon prophesied of Christ’s mission of salvation and his death at the time of his circumcision.

Remember also Revelation 10:He placed his right foot on the sea and his left on the land; 3and he cried out with a loud voice, as when a lion roars; and when he had cried out, the seven peals of thunder uttered their voices. 4When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.”

Some things are going to remain a mystery until the very end, and some things may not occur exactly the way we always expected them to. Yet even chapter 10 lends support to “the last trump” view....Rev 10:5Then the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven, 6and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer, 7but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.…

The 7th angel...sounds...the last trumpet?


224 posted on 03/22/2014 1:07:25 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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