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Greg Laurie on Why Bible Prophecy Makes No Mention of America (premillennial caucus)
Christian Post ^ | July 15, 2013 | Anugrah Kumar

Posted on 03/20/2014 8:01:21 AM PDT by xzins

Bible prophecy related to the end times mentions many nations, including Libya, Iran, Iraq Ethiopia, and possibly even China and Russia, but not the United States of America. In an article on his blog, Pastor Greg Laurie gives three plausible reasons for the nation's exclusion.

"Where is the United States? Why are we not in the last-days scenario?" asks Laurie, pastor of Harvest Church in Riverside, Calif.

One reason why the United States is not mentioned in Scripture is perhaps because the nation "might be devastated by a nuclear war," the pastor writes. "It is a horrible scenario and one that none of us would want to see, but we cannot rule it out as a possibility."

The threat remains despite the dissolution of the former Soviet Union, Laurie argues. "It could indeed be a rogue terrorist nation with nuclear capabilities, or even a terrorist group that could set off the dominoes falling onto each other. I hope this isn't the case, but we cannot rule it out."

Laurie is for a strong military for that reason. "We need to take seriously any foreign threats. But having said that, what about an internal collapse?"

A second possible reason could be that the U.S. might decline as a world power, Laurie says, quoting Proverbs 14:34, which reads, "Godliness makes a nation great, but sin is a disgrace to any people."

"As our country becomes more and more secular, systematically eliminating God and the Bible from our education system, courts, and the arts, we will begin to reap the inevitable results of sin. We will begin to rot from the inside," the pastor warns. "I think to some degree, we already have [seen that happen] as we have seen the breakdown of the family, rampant crime and so many other problems that have come from disobeying God."

Laurie points out that what once was freedom of religion seems to have now become freedom from religion. "We have succeeded in getting God out of our schools, out of our sporting events, out of our public places and out of our workplaces."

The nation needs to remember that the freedom we enjoy is built on the foundation of absolute truth, he says. "And when you remove that foundation, this freedom actually can turn into anarchy."

A third possibility could be that the U.S. will witness a revival, "which I find a lot more hopeful," Laurie goes on to say. "That is not to say a revival would eliminate us as a world power. But if our nation had a revival, it would affect us. Think about this. Let's say, for example, that one-fourth of all Americans are believers. This would mean that we have approximately 78 million true believers in our country today… When the Rapture of the church takes place, don't you think there would be an impact on the United States…?"

Laurie said we need to, therefore, pray for revival in our country today. "When I say that our nation needs God, I don't mean that we need whatever god everyone happens to believe in," he clarifies. "The only hope for America is when we turn back to the true and living God – the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God who gave us the Bible as the revelation of who he is, the God who loved us so much that he sent his own son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross in our place."


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: america; brokencaucus; endtimes; laurie; megachurch; pastor; prophecy
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To: editor-surveyor
We like our Religion Moderators, and we don;t usually call them dictators, even when we disagree with them.

Why are you posting such things to me? Why haven't you acknowledged what I've responded to you? What is your point of posting these things to me on this particular thread?

R2z
181 posted on 03/20/2014 5:42:31 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: editor-surveyor
You’ve got a good supply of firewood on your shoulder!

Why the personal attack on me? Why?
182 posted on 03/20/2014 5:44:06 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Star Traveler
Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Yeshua HaMoshiach, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. 

Shortly take place...

19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. 

The things which will take place after this! Yeshua is already in heaven ergo Revelation 12 is not talking about Yeshua ascending to heaven.

Rev. 4:4 After these things I looked, and behold, a door open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

I will show you things which must take place after this...Yohannan is on Patmos, Yeshua is in heaven.

After this...After this...After this... comprehension and retention nowhere to be found...

183 posted on 03/20/2014 6:00:10 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHaI)
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To: Resettozero
Please click on the Religion Moderator's profile in order to learn the rules of the Religion Forum. If you do not like the rules, just stay off of it.
184 posted on 03/20/2014 6:22:48 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
Please click on the Religion Moderator's profile in order to learn the rules of the Religion Forum. If you do not like the rules, just stay off of it.

I have broken no rules of Free Republic or the Religion Moderator. I responded initially to a post under the heading Latest Articles; it was inconsequential to me that it was originated in the Religion Forum.

The title of the post contained the parenthetical phrase "premillenmial caucus" which could have been part of the article's title or where it was issued. It was not clear that I, a premillennialist, would be getting in trouble with a Religion Moderator and now, an Admin Moderator, for posting my explanation that I did not intend to post in a private Religion forum of Free Republic but as a response to Latest Articles.

But now that you have responded to me in an unFRiendly manner: Please, what did I post on this thread that requires the intervention of an Admin Moderator who obviously has not read all my posts on the thread. If he had, such a blunt statement would have been tempered. I have done nothing wrong but have been repremanded as if I have. Why?

R2z
185 posted on 03/20/2014 6:46:13 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

If you do not wish to see Religion Forum posts, do NOT use the “everything” option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by “News/Activism.” When you log back in, the browse will reset to “everything” - so be sure to set it back to “News/Activism.”


186 posted on 03/20/2014 7:06:53 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
If you do not wish to see Religion Forum posts, do NOT use the “everything” option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by “News/Activism.” When you log back in, the browse will reset to “everything” - so be sure to set it back to “News/Activism.”

Repeatedly on this thread, I've mentioned that I did not care which FR forum "owned" the article. As a premillennialist, though, I felt I could comment. So,what is the real reason I've been treated as a FR newbie in this matter today? I have broken none of your (Religion Moderator) rules. I HAVE been treated disrespectfully by a couple of posters and not with civility as a long-standing FReeper should be.

Why the censures and warnings to me today on this thread...on this subject? It's odd and peculiar.
187 posted on 03/20/2014 7:15:39 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
Evidently, you are new to the Religion Forum or the premillennialist caucus on the RF - or at least to the caucus rules on the RF.

And, as you probably have noticed elsewhere on Free Republic, new names are suspect until the regulars get to know them.

Click on my profile page for anything else you'd like to know about the Religion Forum guidelines.

188 posted on 03/20/2014 7:24:21 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
If you do not wish to see Religion Forum posts, do NOT use the “everything” option on the Free Republic browse option list.

I have never indicated that I did not wish to see Religion forum posts on Free Republic. Why would you say such a thing. I do wish to use the "everything option", as you put it.

What I have said is that the title of the article, which included the parenthetical "premillennial caucus" was unclear that only members of this so-called private caucus were welcome to post.

I do not want to be a member of whatever weird private clubs you have going on the Religion forum portion of Free Republic but...I am a pre-millennialist! So, what is the real reasons why you and an Admin Moderator have a beef with me over this?

R2z
189 posted on 03/20/2014 7:30:46 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Religion Moderator
And, as you probably have noticed elsewhere on Free Republic, new names are suspect until the regulars get to know them

New names suspect? The year 2005 is too late to sign up as a FReeper and post? Thanks for nothing, Religion Moderator. And yes, you are doing a lot more than just moderating this thread.
190 posted on 03/20/2014 7:36:32 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: mdmathis6

Although you and I are going to disagree on how to define the beast, I just want to point out that, by any measure, the US military is fairly miraculous when compared to any other military, past or present.


191 posted on 03/20/2014 7:53:34 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Religion Moderator; Admin Moderator
Evidently, you are new to the Religion Forum or the premillennialist caucus on the RF - or at least to the caucus rules on the RF.

Click on my profile page for anything else you'd like to know about the Religion Forum guidelines.


If this Religion forum...and any "caucus" catch-all mentioning that may invoked on any thread that pertains to religion on FR...is meant to be private to the Religion forum only, then Free Republic would be well served to have a separate login required for admission to all private clubs.

Did I mention you've gone beyond thread moderation and, evidently, have branched into unFRiendly rule of this section of FR. I should have.

I have broken none of your rules and did not try to. What is the real reason for this upbraiding of an established member of Free Republic?
192 posted on 03/20/2014 7:54:13 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: afsnco

During the last part of the Tribulation, the only people who suffer are the ones who took the Mark of the Beast. A really definitive time in that period. During the last years, believers will be sheltered in (so it is believed) Petra, the Rose Red City. The Beast will attack, but be repelled. It’ll be the one and only safe place for Christians. Christians will live there from the time of the Abomination of Desolation (the complete desecration of the reconstructed Temple) and then from then out it’ll only be a matter of time until Armageddon. Then the Great Appearance and thousand years/Millennium. Then the Devil will be loosed and then eternally cast into the Lake of Fire. From then on out, Eternal Life.


193 posted on 03/20/2014 8:06:18 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Resettozero

NO attack ever happened.

You are hyper-sensitive for some reason.

Why do you call the RM a tyrant?
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194 posted on 03/20/2014 9:13:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

And what do you think that means?
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That he was determined not to become distracted by peripheral matters.


195 posted on 03/20/2014 9:21:35 PM PDT by Elsiejay (in)
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To: Elsiejay

But watching is most certainly not a peripheral matter.

It is a commanded activity for all in the end times (the time since Yeshua).

That is the plain meaning of the Parable of the Virgins.

It is also declared in the letters to the churches in Revelation.
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196 posted on 03/20/2014 9:32:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CorporateStepsister; afsnco

>> “During the last part of the Tribulation, the only people who suffer are the ones who took the Mark of the Beast.” <<

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No, they will suffer after the trib. They are among those against whom Yeshua will make war on his return to Earth.

Only Yehova’s elect will suffer in the trib. It is Satan that does the tribulating.


197 posted on 03/20/2014 9:36:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jonty30

I think of the Beast as an religio/economic system imposed on the world at large. It will be helmed by that son of Perdition, his false prophet, and an Image of the beast(which is imbued with Satanic power) that all are forced to worship. It seeks syncretise all of the world’s religions under one banner to give the Beast and his system a kind of moral frame work while at the same time making fantastic sounding but false promises about the inherent “godhood” of each man and about the new age of peace and plenty to come.


198 posted on 03/20/2014 10:02:52 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: mdmathis6

You are correct in concept. :)


199 posted on 03/20/2014 10:14:27 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: editor-surveyor

During that seven year period, even before Jesus comes back for the final battle, my Bible reads that up to 2/3rds of the people of the world get wiped out. Yes, the beast system makes war against the saints...but we also know that for 3.5 years the two witnesses make it very uncomfortable for the Beast and the world’s evil population....so much so that there are mass celebrations all over the world when the Beast is allowed to kill them...and at least for 3 days they stay dead. I have always wondered that when the two witnesses are raised up, God raptures his suffering church with them to escape that last 3.5 years when God really starts pouring down his wrath.

I know the rapture is coming at some point and lots of scriptures can be cited as to when how and so on....probably pre-trib but after the world beast system is in operation though That son of perdition may not have quite taken public power as of yet or he is known for just a short time yet the 7 year pact with Israel had yet to be formulated.(All depends on how one reads Thessalonians as to how one understands the scenario.)


200 posted on 03/20/2014 10:21:28 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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