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To: terycarl
I think that He meant that whatever the Catholic Church declares to be in error on Earth, will be considered in error in Heaven....They have the power to bind, declare truth, and to loose, declare error.....

Interesting. That puts even God subservient to the Catholic church.

767 posted on 03/26/2014 3:30:58 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

“I think that He meant that whatever the Catholic Church declares to be in error on Earth, will be considered in error in Heaven....They have the power to bind, declare truth, and to loose, declare error.....
“Interesting. That puts even God subservient to the Catholic church.

... And not what the text says in Greek.


774 posted on 03/26/2014 5:36:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: metmom; terycarl; aMorePerfectUnion; Elsie; redleghunter
Interesting. That puts even God subservient to the Catholic church.

Well, as you have seen already i am sure, this is what is said,

“With regard to the mystic body of Christ, that is, all the faithful, the priest has the power of the keys, or the power of delivering sinners from hell, of making them worthy of paradise, and of changing them from the slaves of Satan into the children of God. And God himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of his priests, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution, provided the penitent is capable of it. " Such is," says St. Maximus of Turin, " this judiciary power ascribed to Peter that its decision carries with it the decision of God." 2 The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it. .” – Dignity and Duties of the Priest, St. Alphonsus Ligouri, Vol. 12, p. 2 (whose writings were declared free from anything meriting censure by Pope Gregory XVL (1839) in the bull of his canonization). http://www.archive.org/stream/alphonsusworks12liguuoft/alphonsusworks12liguuoft_djvu.txt

When the priest announces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim.

Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of mana not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command.

No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially fond of applying to the priest is that of alter Christus. For the priest is and should be another Christ. (O'Brien, The Faith of Millions, 255-256 ;

779 posted on 03/26/2014 6:56:23 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: metmom
Interesting. That puts even God subservient to the Catholic church.

wrong once again!!!! Christ Himself (God)made the promise thereby guaranteeing that they could never be in error....whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, whatsoever you shall loose on earth, shall be loosed in Heaven.....do you suppose that He would allow the Catholics to err in this enormous responsibility????....please

809 posted on 03/27/2014 2:37:36 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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