Posted on 03/18/2014 2:59:30 PM PDT by markomalley
(Though I'm quoting the above, I actually agree with everything you're saying)
I personally think that if not for the major bruhaha from the last time he said "Who am I to judge?", this would not be a matter of issue and would be seen as pretty much orthodox from any point of view. If a person repents from his/her sin, is converted, and his/her life is reformed, then we shouldn't keep beating on the person.
For me personally, when looking down on somebody who is struggling with sin*, I always consider the sins that I, personally, have been forgiven of...and that tends to make me a lot more merciful in my judgment.
* -- please note that the above statement applies to those who are struggling with sin; working on putting off the "old man" (cf Rom 6:6; Eph 4:4, etc.)...the statement does not include those who revel in their sin (cf Rom 1:32).
I'm personally humbled when I actually comprehended the passage "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23)
I think the biggest bone of contention is that he is talking about people who are trying. When I actually read his words, that's what I get. Sadly, the reprobate use a select subset of those words as justification and to confirm themselves in their sin.
Reminds me of the atheist who uses a part of Psalm 14:1 to assert that the Bible says there is no God.
Thanks, all, for the thoughtful responses. They are appreciated.
“Who am I to judge” those who prefer the Latin Mass?
It's a shame the most visible Christian leader on earth hasn't a clue about the damage he does to the souls of those who do so. At least I pray he doesn't.
I'm attributing it to naiveté -- I hope that naiveté isn't my own.
BTW, I forgot to ask...how did the spaghetti sauce turn out?
And he added: “a big heart doesn’t get entangled in other peoples lives, it doesn’t condemn but forgives and forgets” as “God has forgiven and forgotten my sins”.
Now how many of you really believe that??? How many of your were ever taught that??? I would venture to say none of you...
How many of you expect to stand before the judgment seat and when the records are opened, you have a clean slate??? All of your sins are forgiven and forgotten...None of you...
Why does your pope say he will have a clean slate but none of you will???
Not so good. It needs to simmer all day and I didn’t start it until 5, ate at 7.
Can’t rush a good sauce. :-(
“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.”
Which seems to me to mean that since i am spiritual i can judge all, but you people who are not spiritual should not be judging.
And it is up to me to decide if you are spiritual but you will just have to take my word that i am.
Just what do it mean any way????
The way Jesus said it is good enough for me.
BTW, here's a really good soup cookbook, Twelve Months of Monastery Soups. A whole bunch of really good recipes to play with.
Let me guess, I’m taking it out of context, right?
I am sure you are but i will let some one more spiritual than i am to take you to task for trying to make a claim that is refuted by the gospel, sarc....
Christians are to judge all things by the Word.
Yes but are we to judge where salvation is concerned?
Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
1John1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Mat 7
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
It appears to me that in mat 7:5 Jesus was talking about the same thing that is seen in Paul and John above.
We can like something or not, or if the Bible says its wrong then it is wrong and we can say it, but we do not have the right to condemn some one to hell, only God can do that.
And besides, more people are judged for breaking man made ideas of right and wrong than they are for breaking scriptural laws.
You don,t see any one in the Churches defending the right for people to smoke, but when it comes to something the scriptures forbid and calls an abomination they are all over the place defending the right of same sex marriage.
If the Churches do not start getting along better and pulling together they will soon destroy each other.
But Man is forever man, if Christians started getting along and quit bashing each other and forgetting their differences and just start obeying the Church leaders the Church would soon be telling the leaders of the world what to do, but wait??? that is kinda how it started ain,t it?
Salvation is of The Lord, so it is way beyond my purview. We can, however, identify those who believe, as Paul put it, “another gospel.” And we are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers and we are to separate from them. In order to do those things we must judge.
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.”
“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things”.
This verse refers to the Christian’s internal witness to the truths of Christianity, not in all the thorny matters, but in the essentials, and in his ability to discern when the Gospel is preached and when it is not, and to whom he owes his salvation to (Christ alone). Then it continues:
“yet he himself is judged of no man,” that is, the ungodly cannot discern what manner of men we are. They cannot comprehend us in the same way the damned are incapable of comprehending Christ, for “we have the mind of Christ,” and therefore think spiritually, and are not of this world, but are the enemies of it.
Yeppers, that what we see far too often. Judging others comes in the bargain. Heck anything goes. It's like having God in a box in your pocket.
Why do you say he says that?
Salvation is of The Lord, so it is way beyond my purview. We can, however, identify those who believe, as Paul put it, “another gospel.” And we are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers and we are to separate from them. In order to do those things we must judge.
“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things”.
This verse refers to the Christian’s internal witness to the truths of Christianity, not in all the thorny matters, but in the essentials, and in his ability to discern when the Gospel is preached and when it is not, and to whom he owes his salvation to (Christ alone). Then it continues:
“yet he himself is judged of no man,” that is, the ungodly cannot discern what manner of men we are. They cannot comprehend us in the same way the damned are incapable of comprehending Christ, for “we have the mind of Christ,” and therefore think spiritually, and are not of this world, but are the enemies of it.
Now how many of you really believe that??? How many of your were ever taught that??? I would venture to say none of you...
I do not expect to have a clean slate but if i do not forgive those who trespass against me i can not expect my sins to be forgiven.
32
“Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to.
33
Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’
34
In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
At the same time i do understand that this may not cover the meaning of what the pope was saying.
1John ch1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
John puts it two ways
have no sin
have not sined
it refers to past sins and present sins
I believe Christians will be completely rid of their sins only when they die and their bodies are turned back to dust.
Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Have no sin...
Have not sinned
Will sin in the future...
Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Have no sin...
Have not sinned
Will sin in the future...
RIGHT.
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