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As Pope marks first year, Italian archbishop says the ‘new paradigm’ opens Church to homosexuality
LifeSiteNews ^ | March 13, 2014 | Hilary White

Posted on 03/14/2014 6:29:08 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: sten

Yes. You know how some anti-abortion activists use gross pictures to make their point? It’s time for some gross pictures to be shown to the naive people who think homosexuality is about love.


21 posted on 03/14/2014 7:27:51 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
"As Pope marks first year, Italian archbishop says the ‘new paradigm’ opens Church to homosexuality... So the Church now serves Satan instead of God?????"

No, no, no. Diagram the sentence: Archbishop (noun) says (verb)---

Archbishop Castellani now serves Satan instead of God.

Tagline from Jorge Bergoglio/Pope Francis

22 posted on 03/14/2014 7:29:21 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Gay marriage: "A machination of the Father of Lies to deceive the children of God." - Pope Francis)
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To: NKP_Vet

What is posted is not true.

The church still stands against the practice of homosexuality.

Hate the sin; love the sinner.


23 posted on 03/14/2014 7:31:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Exactly what is not true in the LifeSiteNews article?


24 posted on 03/14/2014 7:47:00 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: SECURE AMERICA

To practice homosexuality is a sin. The Pope said if a homosexual is seeking the Lord (which means not engaging in homosexual acts), who is he or anyone else to judge him. The same thing can be said for adulterers, rapists, ect. Sin is sin. But if you are living your life for the Lord, and not engaging in sin, there is nothing to judge.

When Francis first uttered these now famous remarks I figured liberals would twist his words around and attempt to make it look like he was saying nothing is wrong with engaging in homosexual acts. After all, that’s what liberals do. But I never thought he would be viciously attacked by those that call themselves Christians and conservatives. Guess I was wrong. Just say conservatives and liberals join together to criticize the Pope on his “Who am I to judge” remarks. Unbelievable.


25 posted on 03/14/2014 7:57:10 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: Obadiah

We are pretty much in agreement until this being a coordinated effort.

While I agree the Pope’s statements, as reported by the media, have left doubts. However, I think the question that is being asked by the Pope is how to minister to people, as we find them.

People who know they are sinners need to first know that God still loves them and wants to have a relationship with them. It would appear those folks are staying away because they aren’t hearing that message.

Once they hear and believe God loves them, then they will hopefully be more open to taking the necessary actions to alter their behavior and get right with God.

My take is the Pope is trying to emphasize that first step.

Finally, let us not forget what he said about “gay marriage:”

“We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”


26 posted on 03/14/2014 7:57:24 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: ebb tide

We know how that “new paradigm” ends: broken lives, arrests, prison, lawsuits, bankruptcy, loss of faith, loss of the faithful.


27 posted on 03/14/2014 8:04:55 AM PDT by Loyalist
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To: SpirituTuo
However, I think the question that is being asked by the Pope is how to minister to people, as we find them.

Are you saying the previous 265 Pope were not correctly ministering to people as they found them? Is homosexual perversion and adultery some new problem that has suddenly cropped up out of nowhere? Have you read the Old Testament?

28 posted on 03/14/2014 8:15:27 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: SpirituTuo

Concur.


29 posted on 03/14/2014 8:22:16 AM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Just say conservatives and liberals join together to criticize the Pope on his “Who am I to judge” remarks. Unbelievable.

So where do you fall? "Moderate" Catholic?

By the way, what liberal(s) has criticized his, "Who am I to judge?" comment? Every single liberal seems to celebrating that statement.

30 posted on 03/14/2014 8:22:50 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I’m conservative to the bone, but I respect the Holy Father and will not criticize and nit pick every word out of his mouth. It’s outrageous that those that call themselves Catholic criticize his every word. God put him in the Chair of St. Peter for a reason. Most people don’t know but when Benedict was selected Pope, Francis had the second highest number of ballots casts. The Cardinals were by and large the same ones that selected him as Pope a few years later. Apparently you pay no attention to the “guided by the Holy Spirit” that allows these men to select the pope.


31 posted on 03/14/2014 8:35:37 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: ebb tide

Francis has be working mightily to break the Ten Commandments from the bottom up.

I do not trust this Pope in any way, shape or form.


32 posted on 03/14/2014 8:41:46 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: ebb tide
My concern with this whole situation comes from a couple of things which the Pope has said about Scripture. I have no calling to ordained ministry so I'm happy to pass that by and defer to those who do have the calling when it comes to pastoral methods, outreach, etc. However, on two occasions he has expounded on passages of Scripture and given interpretations which are entirely novel and contrary to tradition. On one occasion, when discussing the passage where Jesus rebukes the Apostles, he said that Jesus was not really angry. He was "pretending". So Jesus "pretends", apparently. The second occasion was when he was discussing the miracle of the loaves and fishes and the feeding of the five thousand. He stated that the real miracle was not that of multiplication but that of "sharing" in which, as a result of prayer, the gathered crowd took care of each other. This reduces the miracle of Jesus to the lame "everybody brought food and shared it" story, much beloved of social justice activists.

The thought occurred to me at that point that if the Pope is prepared to monkey with sacred Scripture, then he'll have no problem monkeying with the Church also. I see many recent developments in this light. Each on its own in isolation can be interpreted in a favorable or unfavorable light. Viewed collectively, a pattern emerges.

33 posted on 03/14/2014 8:51:58 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: NKP_Vet

St. Paul resisted Pope St. Peter to his face.

Oh, how I wish there were more Paul’s in the hierarchy.


34 posted on 03/14/2014 8:56:22 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: marshmallow

Very good observations. Thanks.


35 posted on 03/14/2014 8:58:06 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet
God put him in the Chair of St. Peter for a reason.

Yes, God gives us what we deserve.

As far as the rest of your post, it sounds like you're implying the Holy Ghost messed up in 2005 and corrected Himself in 2013.

36 posted on 03/14/2014 9:04:57 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: onedoug

Yes. I just remembered about him even boasting of robbing a corpse.


37 posted on 03/14/2014 9:08:20 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I don’t think it’s funny at all.

The Pope sets a spiritual tone for Catholics and non-Catholics all over the world.

A lot of examples being set by this Pope frankly stink, and I suspect it’s going to get worse.

We need the Light.


38 posted on 03/14/2014 9:15:26 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: ebb tide

What I was trying to say is the same Cardinals that gave the Catholic Church the VERY CONSERVATIVE Benedict as Pope also had Francis coming in second to him. But for some reason you and others think he a flaming liberal and will destroy the Church. The same Cardinals seven years later gave the Church Francis. You need to think long and hard about that. Pope Francis is not changing anything to do with homosexuality and marriage. He might do some cosmetic changes on the annulment process, and with that I agree. But Catholics will still have to get an annulment from their first marriage if they want to present themselves for communion.


39 posted on 03/14/2014 3:03:38 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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He might do some cosmetic changes on the annulment process, and with that I agree.

"Cosmetic" changes on nullifying a sacramental marriage? "Cosmetic" changes on splitting up families and harming children and faithful spouses?

Close to 90 percent of annulment requests in the U.S. are approved. And you and Francis want "cosmetic" changes to reach 100 percent?

How about a "cosmetic" change on abortion?

Or a "cosmetic" change on sodomy?

40 posted on 03/14/2014 3:18:46 PM PDT by ebb tide
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