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To: CynicalBear
Talk to any translator and you will find that word puns can not be translated most of the time.

THERE's the truth, right there.

That doesn’t mean the Matthew we first written in Hebrew it simply means that Matthew was writing what Jesus said and quotes from the Hebrew Old Testement in Greek so had to translate from Hebrew to Greek which caused the puns to remain.

Except that the puns are not limited to the words of Yeshua... They are sprinkled throughout.

We know that Matthew was a Jew, it’s not difficult to understand that there are non common Greek words in his gospel. That does not by any means indicate he wrote his gospel first in Hebrew.

But that would be the simplest and most likely solution to the problem. If one doesn't have to protect Greek primacy, the simple solution would be the obvious one. Add the commentary of Josephus (who had a rough time with Greek, because 'his people' didn't encourage learning foreign languages), and the DSS vs Bar Kohkba letters showing vibrant Hebrew in use at the time complete with dialectic differences between Galilean and Judean, and there really is no doubt that Hebrew was a living language at the time.

Another consideration is the historical evidence ot the Greek manuscripts that have survived while no Hebrew manuscripts are in existence. Surely the Shem Tov can’t be considered authentic.

No consideration whatsoever - Rome, and the Roman church after Rome, destroyed everything Hebrew they ever got their hands upon. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. In fact, it is glaringly absent since it has become known that Hebrew was indeed a living language at the time (and for 400 years after). One would expect Hebrew primacy coming out of Hebrew synagogues. How odd that the only language the Hebrews didn't write in WAS THEIR VERY OWN LANGUAGE.

Those who promote the sacred name movement put their understanding in a few Hebrew Rabbis who do not believe that Jesus is the messiah who promote the Hebrew.

Ahh... So YOU have some idea of where my faith comes from? YOU are the authority on MY faith? ROTFLMAO!!!

In fact I only put my faith in ONE Jewish Rabbi. Always have and always will.

Go for it. Just keep it amongst the cult.

Ahh, see? I have to shut up and ride in the back of the bus... And I am 'forcing' YOU? I am the hypocrite? LOL! Naw... I will ride in the front, and I will sit right next to you every chance I get... And I will continue to spout Hebraisms and with continued frequency, because I have every right to do so. And if it pisses you off, that ain't my problem, it's yours.

42 posted on 03/13/2014 7:22:13 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
>>But that would be the simplest and most likely solution to the problem. If one doesn't have to protect Greek primacy, the simple solution would be the obvious one.<<

The obvious one would be that Matthew wrote the text in Greek. The Holy Spirit was trying to reach the largest audience so inspired the writers to write in Greek. Greek would have been Matthew’s second language so as anyone writing in their second language would retain some of their original language puns. I don’t have to “protect Greek primacy”. It’s evidenced by the many thousands of Greek manuscripts with no Hebrew manuscripts from the same period.

>>No consideration whatsoever - Rome, and the Roman church after Rome, destroyed everything Hebrew they ever got their hands upon.<<

Pure speculation in an attempt to inject Hebrew primacy. Besides, the Jewish Christians would have retained sufficient copies of any Hebrew texts. To think that they would have also destroyed any Hebrew texts defies credibility.

>>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.<<

Where have we heard that before? Oh yeah, Catholics.

>>One would expect Hebrew primacy coming out of Hebrew synagogues.<<

Yes they would! And still no manuscripts predating the Greek. That should tell you something.

>>How odd that the only language the Hebrews didn't write in WAS THEIR VERY OWN LANGUAGE.<<

Not strange at all. The Holy Spirit knew what language would reach the most people.

>>Ahh... So YOU have some idea of where my faith comes from?<<

Well then why don’t you tell me who those supposed Hebrew texts came from that are dated long after any of the Greek manuscripts?

>>Ahh, see? I have to shut up and ride in the back of the bus...<<

No, I simply expect, as the Holy Spirit did, that one speaks and writes in the language of those he wants to relate to. Not try to denigrate those who speak one language because you somehow think a different language is somehow more holy or something. God caused the apostles to speak in the language of those who were listening. Sacred name people should take a hint.

43 posted on 03/13/2014 7:52:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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