Posted on 03/08/2014 10:06:40 PM PST by NKP_Vet
Why?
Because he quotes Scripture?
• The Davidic kingdom foreshadowed the Christian Church, complete with Christ as King, Mary as Queen, and pope as prime minister. The book of Isaiah provides the typology that would be perfected by St. Peter’s stewardship of the office of Prime Minister.
Isaiah 22:20: And I will place on his [Eli’akim’s] shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
• Jesus refers to the office of prime minister when speaking to St. Peter—nearly quoting from Isaiah 22.
Matthew 16:18: I will give you [Peter] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
• The steward of that office is a “father” to his people. The Septuagint, the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures from which Jesus and the apostles most often read and quoted, uses the word πατὴρ/patér for “father”—the etymological root of the Greek endearment word pappas (Latin = papas, which is rendered into modern English as “pope”).
Isaiah 22:21: … and he will be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah (emphasis added).
• That Church with the office of prime minister is perpetual.
Matthew 16:19: … you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
• The clergy has the authority to assign successors to perpetuate their authority into the future.
cf. Acts 1:20-26: St. Matthi’as assigned as an apostolic successor.
cf. 2 Timothy 1:6, 1:13-14, 2:1-2, 4:1-6: St. Timothy is groomed as an apostolic successor.
• The apostolic office is how Jesus promised to remain with His Church.
Luke 10:16: He who hears you hears me.
• So that …
Matthew 28:20: I am with you always.
• That Church is the pillar and ground of truth.
1 Timothy 3:15: … God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.
• Jesus creates an authoritative conduit—the apostolic office.
John 17:18: As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
• Obedience to the hierarchy’s teachings equals obedience to Jesus’ teachings, and such obedience is how Jesus intended for his Church to be unified.
John 17:20,21: I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, that they may all be one …
• Those who accept that conduit accept Jesus.
John 13:20: Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives any one whom I send receives me; and he who receives me receives him who sent me.
Matthew 10:40: He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me.
• The clergy has the authority to forgive sins in Jesus’ name, and in the manner that he chose.
John 20:21b-23: As the Father has sent me, even so I send you… If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.
• In persona Christi (acting in the person of Christ).
2 Corinthians 2:10 Douay-Rheims Bible: … what I [Paul] have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ.
• The oral tradition (teachings) of the apostolic office is binding.
1 Corinthians 11:2: I [Paul] commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions as I have delivered them to you.
1 Thessalonians 2:13: And when we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers.
• The oral tradition is equally authoritative as to what the apostles wrote (of what became New Testament Scripture).
2 Thessalonians 2:15: So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
2 Thessalonians 3:6: Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
3 John 9,13-14: I have written something to the Church; but Diot’rephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge my authority. … I had much to write to you, but I would rather not write … I hope to see you soon, and we will talk face to face.
• Centuries prior to the Bible’s compilation, and decades before the Gospel of John was written, Jesus spoke to specific people who would become the new clergy. It is to those men whom Jesus promised that the Helper, the Holy Spirit, would come.
John 14:16-18: And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of truth … you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you desolate; I will come to you.
• The hierarchy’s interpretation of its own library of books (the Bible) is accurate, and the hierarchy’s teachings (Tradition) is accurate because …
John 14:26; 16:13a: But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. … When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth.
• Jesus was speaking to the apostles. St. Peter was singled out and was given Christ’s flock to Shepherd.
John 21:17: Jesus said to him, Feed my sheep.
Luke 22:31-32: Simon, Simon, Satan demanded to have you [Greek plural; "you all"], that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you [Greek singular; "you only"] that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.
• The Greek word πρῶτος (first) has a spectrum of meaning that includes: leading, most important, and chief.
Matthew 10:2: The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter … (emphasis added).
• St. Peter’s role presents a practical description of all his successors throughout history.
cf. Acts 1:13-26: St. Peter headed the meeting to appoint the first apostolic successor.
cf. Acts 2:14: St. Peter preached the first sermon.
cf. Matthew 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13: Theological and literary status is always given to St. Peter.
cf. Acts 2:41: St. Peter received the first converts.
cf. Acts 3:6,7: St. Peter performed the first miracle after Pentecost.
cf. Acts 5:1-11: St. Peter presided over the first ecclesial punishment.
cf. Acts 8:21: St. Peter excommunicated the first heretic.
• St. Peter was the first apostle to acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ and St. Paul was the last apostle to confess. St. Peter was the first apostle to witness the risen Christ, and St. Paul, again, was the last apostle to witness the risen Christ. It is clear to Catholic Christians of every generation, including St. Paul and his, that St. Peter was not a random member of the twelve. The evidence provides an ancient pre-Pauline formula and insight into the Sacred Tradition of the practicing Church.
cf. Matthew 18:21, cf. Mark 8:29, cf. John 6:69: St. Peter was the voice for the apostles.
cf. Acts 15:7-12: St. Peter presided over the first council.
• The decisions of the councils are binding.
Acts 15:28-29: For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
Acts 16:4: As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem.
• The other apostles recognized St. Peter as their leader. In comparison to St. Peter’s position, St. Paul ranks his own as …
1 Corinthians 15:3-9 RSV: … the least of the apostles and St. Peter’s as … [the first] then to the twelve.
• St. Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians, consisting of an internal, chiastic-like hierarchical theology of the office of apostle, reveal his own acceptance of St. Peter’s supremacy. Further texts, even within the Pauline corpus, reveal more than what could be construed as mere Catholic theory. St. Paul’s actions admit that a supreme authority existed within the Church. By his own hand, we know that St. Paul traveled to Jerusalem, not to teach or exercise his authority as an equal, but to …
Galatians 1:18: Meet Cephas.
• St. Paul’s Galatian audience had a foreknowledge of who Cephas was—again revealing the catholicity of St. Peter’s position, a position that existed prior to any New Testament text. Had St. Paul not defended his new position by appealing to his communion with St. Peter, the gospel that he was preaching may have been suspect of being a tradition of men. In context, St. Paul introduced his letter by establishing his authority by emphasizing his association with St. Peter—a practice that is internally present here in the New Testament, and externally portrayed by all the successors of the apostles (the bishops). In other words, communion with St. Peter proves …
Galatians 1:20: Of which I am writing to you, I do not lie!
• After fourteen years, St. Paul again submitted his message to the leadership of the Church for approval—that he was not …
Galatians 2:2: Running in vain.
• It is within this context, that St. Paul and St. Peter’s disagreement in Galatians 2:11 is shown to be a preview of how the papacy would operate throughout history—welcoming the consult of its bishops, and an acceptance by even the least of the apostles to recognize the supreme leadership of Christ’s Church. And throughout history, the Church recognized that developing legitimate interpretations of the Bible was the responsibility of the Church that was given the Spirit of truth that would guide her into all truth.
cf. Acts 8:27-31: The apostolic office provided the proper interpretation of Scripture.
2 Peter 1:20: First of all, you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.
• The New Testament’s Pastoral Letters reveal the apostles’ intention to preserve the apostolic mission through the appointment of successors. Authority to appoint elders/priests was given from the top down.
Titus 1:5: This is why I left you in Crete, that you might amend what was defective, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you.
• Ensuring proper apostolic doctrine was a responsibility of properly chosen clergy, ordained by those in communion with St. Peter and by the laying on of hands.
1 Timothy 5:22: Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands (cf. 1 Timothy 4:14; 2 Timothy 1:6).
In sum, a select group of men were given offices by Jesus Himself. A specific office was assigned to St. Peter. St. Peter’s role is perpetual. Those men within the hierarchy had authority, and chose to perpetuate their authority by assigning successors. Scripture offers no indication that such authority should ever cease or that succession should ever stop. The apostolic office was given the Spirit that would guide the Church into all truth. The decisions of those men are binding. The apostolic office is the visible teaching authority for the worldwide Church. Entrance into Holy Orders is limited to people who are properly chosen. Nowhere in Scripture is there a demonstration of Protestant-styled clergy with Protestant-styled (self-grabbed) offices being taken. Nowhere in Scripture is private interpretation that conflicts with the established hierarchy condoned. Proper interpretation of the Bible is the Church’s responsibility. Sacred Tradition is as authoritative as Sacred Scripture. In other words, “Bible Christians” are those who recognize that God intended a visible Church with Christ as King and with St. Peter’s successor as his prime minister—a papacy and a hierarchy. Ergo, Catholics are the true Bible Christians, and the Catholic Church is the real, and only, Church of Christ.
Tone it down.
Salvation, is that a cut and paste from somewhere online, or your own work?
Great portions of your post are wrong or made up out of whole cloth.
“St. Peter was the first apostle to witness the risen Christ, and St. Paul, again, was the last apostle to witness the risen Christ. “
Paul’s entire experience was with the ascended and glorified Christ - unlike any other Apostle.
I think you suspect correctly! ;o)
But unless you are willing to engaging in a point by point refutation of it, which you failed to do with other pasted polemics, rather than just pasting more propaganda, there is little warrant in refuting it in depth.
No man-handling, read the words of God, it is the Holy Spirit's job to bring you out of the darkness. We can only exhort.
This was from the article posted. Duh!
LOL!
Source and link?
What’s good for the goose.......
From this article. Did you open it and read it?
Once again — please don’t try to attack me when I post from the posted article.
Why are you quoting a statement than can not be validated?
If you read the article posted you would know where it can from, right?
Lots of cut of context verses and parts of verses with lots of speculation, extrapolation, and assumptions.
There is no way those verse say what the author claims.
It’s more like the author decided what doctrine was and then went on a fishing expedition to find something somewhere in the Bible to support it.
Blasphemy, are you insane? Blasphemy is about a sin against God, not some man. More Catholicism about the Pope taking the place of God. It is painful to watch.
"Manhandle" you, Sal??? Seriously? Not being a tad hyperbolic? Ironically, your church actually DID do worse than manhandle people should they reject the papal party line. Just for grins, I read the rest of the article attached to this thread...did you? The article states in the final section:
So, quite contrary to your assertion that you guys are just posting "facts" and leaving it up to the individual to decide for himself/herself, this one is chock full of accusations, condemnations and denials of salvation to anyone who isn't a Roman Catholic. It also is full of untruths, false history and unbiblical theology. It's really no wonder so many of you continue to spit out such garbage seeing that y'all continue to swallow whole this kind of trash.
Just returning the favor.
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