Posted on 03/07/2014 10:14:06 AM PST by matthewrobertolson
Only trusting the Bible without the Church would be like loving "Romeo & Juliet" and hating Shakespeare's explanation of it.
"Follow" me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/crucifixwearer
"Like" Answering Protestants on Facebook: http://facebook.com/AnsweringProtestants
Add Answering Protestants to your Circles on Google+: http://plus.google.com/106938988929282894016
"Subscribe" to my YouTube videos: http://youtube.com/user/crucifixwearer
You are correct, though, none of us has any guarantee that our next breath will not be our last.
You have made my days a mere handbreadth; the span of my years is as nothing before you. Everyone is but a breath, even those who seem secure. (Psalm 39:5)
Whereas you know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away. (James 4:14)
But we trust in the Lord our God and need not fear our end. He holds us within His protecting hands and no one can pluck us out. God bless you.
Which can easily misconstrued by anyone who is not well versed enough in Catholic teaching, including Catholics.
If the church wanted to teach correct doctrine about who Jesus was/is, then the best bet would have been to go back to Scripture (which I realize is almost anathema to Catholic hierarchy) instead of compounding the issue by changing Mary's title.
Because now, instead of simply saying that Jesus is God, here are the Scripture to support it, live with it, the *Church* now has to go into all kinds of convoluted arguments and explanations as to how *Mary, mother of God* really means *Mary, mother of Jesus*, and leaves the thing a bigger mess than in the first place.
*Mother of God* does NOT say the same thing as *mother of Jesus* and if it has to be explained to someone so they don't misunderstand it, then it clearly is saying something different, despite Catholics attempts to deny the obvious.
If it were the right way to address the issue of misunderstanding of Jesus' nature, then no explanation would be necessary.
What chutzpah the Catholic church has correcting the work of the Holy Spirit.
I was just thinking today...you know what Free Republic needs? Another Protestant v Catholic thread.
No, I don't think you do - Or you wouldn't let your tradition make null the words of your Master.
This is the point that Jesus was making using hyperbole.
AHHH, so he didn't MEAN what he said? He JUST got done saying that MOSES has the authority, *not* Moses' disciples... Those who are called 'Master' and 'Teacher' just got their *sses handed to 'em, for doing EXACTLY what y'all are doing! They CHANGED the words of their Master! The context CLEARLY shows that he is removing their titles, their prestige.
Does that mean there are no more teachers? No. It means teachers are not to be lords - they are to be servants.
We know this because there are more than a dozen examples in the NT of Paul and Peter referring to their spiritual fatherhood, father/son relationships, or teaching roles.
So What? They were operating as servants - They did not do this:
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Nor are they conveyed the titles thereof... That they use the terms in their normal fashion does not mean that people called them Rabbi or Pater.
After all, what do you call your father?
Father, of course - but that is the assigned PURPOSE of the term 'father', and the shadow picture of YHWH's relationship with us. HE is the 'Strong Man of the House' (definition of 'father'). HE is the one intimately involved in my creation. HE is the one who sets laws in my heart and teaches me 'right living'. He is the one who guards, protects and helps. HE is the one who loves me... Assigning the role to any other destroys the validity of that picture. Your pope is not my 'father', spiritual or otherwise. Nor is your priest. By what right then do they bear the title? They have no right.
Have you ever called anyone, "teacher"?
No man, no. Not in the nature of Rabbi, which is what this is talking about. I have ONE Rabbi.
Why are these words unspeakable? A literal interpretation results in all kinds of absurdities.
They are not unspeakable. They are fine in their normal function. They are *not* titles to be doled out for prestige and honor, nor hierarchical authority.
Very well said! Thank you. It amazes me how deluded some people can be in this day and age of instant information. Everything you said can be easily proved.
“Jesus never instituted anything remotely resembling the office of of holy orders. He never commanded penance, never instituted a practice of annointing the sick, nor confirmation. I defy you to find any evidence that He did”
That's just plain dumb...
Know Not...Not in the future but right now, I know not...
NOT, in the future I will not know but RIGHT NOW, I know not...
was, am, will be
ran, run, will run
knew, know, will (or not) know...
They teach anything similar to this in Catholic schools???
Thank you for your prayers.
nonsense....don't understand Catholicism, do you???
whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.....plain to me!
It’s not in private.
I’ve done that myself. You can have the mod delete it and send it to me PM.
The Holy Spirit calls Mary *the mother of Jesus*.
Does that anathemize the Holy Spirit as well?
Well, maybe we should break it down. Let’s take the prayer of Prayer of Pope Pius XII. Found here.
I’ll use just the bolded excerpts from the prayer.
we cast ourselves into your arms
1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (When did we need to replace God with Mary?)
confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.
Hebrews 4:15-16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (once again Catholics replacing Christ with Mary)
O crystal fountain of faith
Romans 12:3 according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. or "a measure of faith." (but Mary is the “fountain of faith” for Catholics)
Lily of all holiness
1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. (for Catholics however, “all holiness” is given to Mary)
Conqueress of evil and death
Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (but Catholics claim it was Mary who conquered death)
Convert the wicked
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (Catholics have even replaced the Holy Spirit with Mary)
Need I go on? Catholics have replaced virtually every attribute and working of God and given that to Mary in their worship.
Might I remind you that Ephesus was where the temple to Diana the queen of heaven was located and where Paul had no small contention with them?
You speak of anathema as defined by the RCC but let me remind you of “another gospel” as defined by the apostles. Find the teaching of the apostles that Mary was the “mother of God” or the “queen of heaven” or we will understand the teaching by the RCC as “another gospel”. It carries the weight of condemnation by the Holy Spirit.
I would ask you to read and meditate on this.
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9
It was inspired by the Holy Spirit rather than some carnal council of man.
No man has the power to ex-communicate me from the body of Christ.
Being ex-communicated from the CATHOLIC church means nothing to me because that is not the means of salvation and I am still a member of the body of Christ because of being born again.
According to the Council of Ephesus then, the Holy Spirit inspired heresy by calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.
Show me where *Lord* in that passage is the Greek word for *God*.
Do you not see how Mary can be both?
No. Mary cannot be both. By stating that, you do indeed indicate that you recognize the distinction between saying *mother of Jesus* and *mother of God*. The terms do NOT say the same thing.
Are you saying the Holy Spirit was in error when He inspired the authors of Scripture to record that Mary was the *mother of Jesus*?
What's to debate? The Holy Spirit was WRONG?
If the Holy Spirit saw fit to call her *mother of Jesus*, who the heck do they think they are to second guess Him and relabel Mary with a different title?
Putting themselves above the Holy Spirit......
What gall.....
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.