Posted on 03/01/2014 10:42:07 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
>>>I see; when you support Preterism you have no problem taking things literally, or spiritually, or whatever works best<<<
And you don’t? Give me a break.
>>>Were Daniel’s 70 weeks contiguous or interrupted?<<<
Suppose you tell me. Are they contiguous or is there a gap?
Philip
>>>The main half truth being presented is somebody claiming they have a question when they post an article, when they refuse to look at the evidence and have a preformed decision.<<<
Where’s the evidence?
Philip
>>>Do you mean the Roman who heard the Word face to face, had the authority to set him free, and still ordered him to be tortured and crucified ? Will you next present the defense for Judas Iscariot ?<<<
Life is too short...
>>>You are trying to change what Jesus said. He did not say the Land of Israel would be trodden down of the Gentiles, he said Jerusalem.<<<
He also said his generation would not pass away before his coming with his holy angels to gather his elect. Yet you don’t believe that plain statement by Jesus. But obscure statements you will argue about for hours on end.
Life is too short ...
No, that timeline does not complete the prophecy.
Perhaps you misunderstood him. Life is eternal.
Similar to 20th Century Europe, only this time it will be Jerusalem, Israel that is the target. Your doctrine will be adopted by a strong delusion as the Gentiles conspire to dismantle and ultimately go to war against the State of Israel under the auspices of the Antichrist. Did you ever imagine America would elect a Muslim President twice just after 9/11 ? A falling away and strong delusion is certainly possible.
What is the consequence of your doctrine if you and your fellow futurists are wrong? Generations of Jews will never hear the words of Christ.
Who knows because under that scenario we are in uncharted waters, abandoned for almost two thousand years with no unbroken chain of the faith once delivered to the saints, just a cascading web of myriads of denominations and sects without unity.
It will take a bona fide miracle for the nation of Israel to hear and believe the words of Jesus. The two witnesses of Revelation (Moses and Elijah) come to mind.
Post 22 provided the link.
The evidence is all around us.
It only took 20 or so posts in this thread to reveal the purpose (clear to me by the title).
Par for the course. He tried to lay out his own version of preterism, on another thread but quickly found out the preterist theory is built on out of context rebuttals and shifting hermeneutics.
>>>Post 22 provided the link. The evidence is all around us.<<<
The link proved nothing. Do you have any real evidence?
I think you are quite aware of the passages in scripture that show when Israel was no longer autonomous. Sure, there were periods of partial self-government, while paying tribute/tax to the controlling Gentile empire of the era. But since the complete downfall to Nebuchadnezzar, up until 1948, they have not been totally autonomous (still trodden under foot); always the subjects to the Gentile overlords.
It’s always the same with false teachers isn’t it? It seems to boil down to take as literal what fits a predetermined belief and allegorize anything that doesn’t fit that belief. Maybe throw in a little re-writing of history to make it realistic.
First you should realize afvet is using a gentle approach in responding to your shifting interpretive methods. I did not see one “nasty” post from that gentleman. I think his posts are pointing out your threads “beg the question.”
>>>No, that timeline does not complete the prophecy.<<<
483 years is 483 years. Did you add a month every few years like the Jews did to make the Lunar/Solar calendars coincide? Otherwise the feasts will eventually end up in the wrong season.
It doesn’t really matter. The timeline clearly showed that when Christ showed up, it was at the end of the 69th week, no matter how you slice and dice it. He began his ministry at the beginning of the 70th week, confirmed the covenant with Israel for one-half week, at which time (in the midst of the week) he was cut off (or crucified.) His disciples and apostles continued to confirm the covenant (with Israel) for another one-half week, until the end of the 70th week, when the new covenant took over (e.g., Amos 9:11-12 was fulfilled) and the Gentiles were allowed into the kingdom. Cornelius was the first around Acts 10.
That is the 70 weeks. It ended 3 1/2 years after Christ was crucified. Only the items mentioned in 9:24 were determined or decreed for the 70 weeks:
1. to finish the transgression
2. to make an end of sins
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy
6. to anoint the most Holy.
One part that is confusing to a lot of people is the first clause of verse 26. It does NOT say that Christ was cut off AT THE END of 69 weeks, but AFTER, which was determined to be in the middle (midst) of the 70th week in verse 27.
Philip
>>>But since the complete downfall to Nebuchadnezzar, up until 1948, they have not been totally autonomous (still trodden under foot); always the subjects to the Gentile overlords.<<<
John said it was only for 42 months. How do you interpret that?
Philip
>>>First you should realize afvet is using a gentle approach in responding to your shifting interpretive methods.<<<
Shifting, huh? Prove it.
Have you read all the posts between AF-Vet and me? I doubt it. I think he can defend himself.
Yes I am painfully aware of your exchanges with afvet. He has the gift of patience.
What do you do with verses 13-15???
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