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To: JPX2011
None of what you say is supported by the Scripture, we are to pray to God. While alive on earth, others can and should pray for us and we for them. Death ends the efficacy of prayer for the one who has died according to the scripture.

So I find it unlikely that He would turn away petitions submitted by his Mother on behalf of the earthly contingent of the Body of Christ.

Sentimental sap not attested to in God's Word, because God's Word is about Christ, not His mother.

God has no ego.

He is jealous, says so Himself.

Works flow from Faith. Two sides of the same coin.

They do indeed, but the imagery is more like a faucet. The faucet is faith, a faucet connected to the Living water, shows forth that water. Not a product of the faucet, but of the One Who provides both the 'will and to do' those works which He has prepared beforehand for us to walk.

I’ve always said that protestantism is a perfect faith for a perfect people.

A terrible comparison else it would be 'protestants' relying on works. While the concepts that separated the Reformers from Rome are perfect to the extent that they agree with the revealed Word of God, perfect people don't practice it.

God is a realist and knows that humanity falls short even as we try to raise ourselves to be perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect.

He surely is a realist, He sent His Son to die for our sins so that we could be reconciled to Him again. He well knew that we would try and merit heaven by 'raising' ourselves. That is why salvation is grace lest it become a wage. Is not the Holy Spirit operative in Catholicism? If so, why do Catholics assume that they are the ones initiating the actions pleasing to God? Relying on oneself and our own understanding: the first sin and still prevalent today even in outfits that claim Christ as a Redeemer.

Is it an objection based in love and charity for your fellow Christian?

I have identified my objection, but add to it the false hope engendered by doing something said to benefit in a manner not countenanced by God's Word

32 posted on 02/26/2014 11:49:16 AM PST by xone
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To: xone

Most assuredly it is scriptural:

The Church came into being when Christ died on the Cross, but it was formally inaugurated on Pentecost, when He sent the Holy Spirit as He had promised. St. Paul speaks of all Christians as members of Christ, so that with Him, they form one Mystical Body (Cf. 1 Cor 12:12-31; Col 1:18; 2:18-20; Eph. 1:22-23; 3:19; 4:13). St. Paul did not use the word Mystical. It was developed more recently to bring out the fact that this union is unique, there is no parallel to it. It is not the same as the union of a physical body, nor that of a business corporation (Most, 1990, para. 2)

God’s Word attests to petitions for others by others:

The intercession of fellow Christians—which is what the saints in heaven are—also clearly does not interfere with Christ’s unique mediatorship because in the four verses immediately preceding 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul says that Christians should interceed: “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim. 2:1–4) (Catholic Answers, 2004, para. 7).

God is jealous for our love. His is a jealousy not born out of resentfulness in the ways we approach Him.

Another way in which we differ. The faucet (i.e., the Church) is linked with the Living Water. Christ is not separated from His Church.

As Christians we have free will to accept or deny Christ. As such we are free to initiate those actions that are pleasing to God. The Holy Spirit is most assuredly alive in guiding the Church and its members. To the degree that one’s action are inspired by the Holy Spirit is something I cannot answer. But that is ultimately why we do have a Church so that we do not have to rely on our own finite understanding.

Catholic Answers (2004). Praying to the Saints. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints

Most, Fr. William G. (1990) The Catholic Church is the
Mystical Body of Christ
http://www.ewtn.com/faith/Teachings/chura1.htm


33 posted on 02/26/2014 12:29:31 PM PST by JPX2011
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