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Is Contraception the Hill We Want to Die On?
Crisis Magazine ^ | february 14, 2014 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 02/16/2014 2:09:51 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 02/16/2014 2:09:51 PM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Enlightening, ping!


2 posted on 02/16/2014 2:10:22 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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I’m not Catholic and don’t face the same religious restrictions on contraception but hope Catholics will stand firm.

Courage of his convictions on this issue was one of the reasons I voted for Rick Santorum in Michigan in 2012.


3 posted on 02/16/2014 2:15:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Just because it may be a losing battle does not change the fact that it is a battle worth fighting.

Fight Griswold. Can you imagine how many of God’s intended creatures are never born because of this abomination?


4 posted on 02/16/2014 2:16:33 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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the article stated “She is being accused of being a bad Catholic and questions are being raised about whether faithful Catholics can support her.”

She is not just a “bad Catholic” if she support contraception - she is a Catholic who definitely doesn’t get it and as such needs to be defeated so she rethinks her beliefs.

AMDG
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5 posted on 02/16/2014 2:19:13 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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This is conservatives once-again playing whack-a-mole. But you can ask this very same question not just contraception - but on every economic/social issue there is. The pundits’ question always is:

Is XXXX (debt, obamacare, social security, food-stamps, abortion, extended unemployment benefits, IRS, EPA, affirmative action, voter verification, debt ceiling etc....) a hill you want to die on? Of course, the pundits’ answer is invariably “No.”


6 posted on 02/16/2014 2:20:15 PM PST by PGR88
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It's not the hill to die on.

Making arguments against contraception, which involves gaining the voluntary cooperation of people? OK.

Making noises about banning contraception, or otherwise restricting people's access to it? That will make us lose elections, real big.

7 posted on 02/16/2014 2:22:34 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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What kind of authority can be claimed when it is nearly universally ignored?


8 posted on 02/16/2014 2:22:49 PM PST by Benito Cereno
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To: LurkingSince'98

how many “good Catholics” supported Obama?


9 posted on 02/16/2014 2:22:57 PM PST by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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“how many “good Catholics” supported Obama?”

actually not many Good Catholics supported obummer, but millions of badly catechized, social justice, Christmas and Easter Catholics love and voted for the guy.

My first hope would be they see the light and become protestant; second and even more unlikely, they have a real conversion of heart and faith and be true Catholics.

AMDG

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10 posted on 02/16/2014 2:29:31 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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RNC committeeman Dave Agema says the GOP has a really bad habit of running for cover at the first sign of trouble.

The simple fact is that you just can’t promote or sell your ideas from under a rock.


11 posted on 02/16/2014 2:29:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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She is not just a “bad Catholic” if she support contraception - she is a Catholic who definitely doesn’t get it and as such needs to be defeated so she rethinks her beliefs.

Did you factor this in from the above post?

Here’s an irony: the policy change Comstock called for could actually reduce the use of contraception, because women would actually have to reach into their own pockets to buy it. Are free pills paid by tax dollars the purer “Catholic” position than making women pay for it themselves?

12 posted on 02/16/2014 2:32:56 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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“millions of badly catechized,”

I hear this a lot here.

Why so many worldwide?


13 posted on 02/16/2014 2:41:09 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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the 60’s generation of groovy priests and nuns who as some one recently said “wanted to appear a little protestant’ to be ecumenical.

60s parents who were too busy to personally teach their children to love their faith and left it up to to “religious ed” instructors on Sunday or lay teachers in parochial school.

the 60s idea that true love and understanding of the Catholic faith would just flower in the children without constant feeding, watering and pruning.

60s gay priests and nuns who were interested in ‘loving one another’ and some altar boys.

it is something we will be working for generations to correct.

Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam

Lurking’


14 posted on 02/16/2014 2:49:41 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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then why does she crow the fact that she is Catholic?

Does she not get that protestants, Catholics and others look for our faithful TO BE FAITHFUL!

So the ‘irony’ is she supports something that is not Catholic to end up with something which may actually be marginally more Catholic - i.e. the end justifies the means???

AMDG


15 posted on 02/16/2014 2:54:16 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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What Catholics must keep in mind is that they are a 2000 year old Church tasked with handing down the faith to each generation. Democrats are not. Americans are not. The Church will still exist long after America is gone.

And what will cause the destruction of America? It will be the same destructive policies the Democrats are trying to infect the Church with. While it is hard to fathom overturning Roe or contraception, culture changes dramatically over time. We are already on the cusp of a population collapse, which will cause severe economic problems. The Russians, one of the first to legalize abortion, are now rewarding births and considering restricting abortion. Russia has already had a demographic collapse, and sees things much differently than we do. Ukraine as well is restricting abortion. There is no reason to think that during our own demographic implosion that we will keep the same attitudes towards contraception and abortion. At that point, the Church will be there to lead us back.

16 posted on 02/16/2014 2:55:28 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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Can you separate contraception hill and religious liberty?


17 posted on 02/16/2014 2:55:48 PM PST by ThomasThomas (It is your fault that I blame others for my actions!)
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Warning! Warning! Straw man alert! Straw man alert!


18 posted on 02/16/2014 3:00:35 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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While only the Catholic Church maintains this teaching on contraception, it would be a better world if everyone did.

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Ms. Comstock ought to avail herself of some in-depth study of history and science. ALL Christians historically held contraception to be evil until fairly recently. How has the world become better for its use? I think the evidence will show it to be a lot worse ...with some studies directly correlating negative results to the use of artificial contraceptives.


19 posted on 02/16/2014 3:03:58 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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dear NYer,

It sounds like you may support this woman for the elective office.

Someone, maybe her father early on, should have taken her out to the woodshed when she was a young one and straightened her out before going off the rails.

It may not be too late a committee of supports, sponsors and financial backers could show her the light.

AMDG


20 posted on 02/16/2014 3:04:42 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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