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To: NYer
Where to start with this mess:

Rabbi Yeshua

Son of God there, not one of His titles in Isaiah.

For those who cheerfully obey the Torah or Church law, our fidelity is eternity in heaven.

In contrast to 'all have sinned' (I just heard that that statement is hyperbole). Church law now saves?

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,[e] as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”[f]

Romans 3

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

What happens at death? Christians believe that we are judged .. actually, we believe that we judge ourselves.

Really, so instead of 'from thence He came to judge the living and the dead' becomes 'whence I die I judge myself'?Christians indeed!

We also believe that only those who are spotless may enter into heaven. Do you think Adolph Hitler fits that description?

Not in his historic state, but had he been given the grace and the faith to repent, he would indeed would be in heaven.

Scripture teaches that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death.

Catholics may teach that, the trick is HOW.

And, as for the Jews that Hitler killed, many of whom did not confess on the name of Jesus, do you think it is possible that they are in hell? You are citing a belief of Fundamentalist christians,

Because salvation is by grace through faith in the redeeming work of Jesus. No Jesus, no salvation, that's scriptural.

The truth is that in one sense we are all redeemed by Christ’s death on the cross—Christians, Jews, Muslims, even animists in the darkest forests (1 Tim. 2:6, 4:10, 1 John 2:2)—but our individual appropriation of what Christ provided is contingent on our response.

Not in one sense. All humanity was redeemed by Christ on the cross. Our appropriation of that gift is by grace we are called, by grace we are given faith, by grace we repent and are reconciled to God. Before we are justified we remain enemies of God. Only then can we receive spiritual things.

34 posted on 02/13/2014 3:33:03 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

Are you Catholic or Evangelical?


35 posted on 02/13/2014 3:38:46 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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