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To: aMorePerfectUnion
the Church drifted into paganism just 120 years after Christ

Is that when the Holy Spirit started his 1500-year long nap? Or was he away on important business?

Like the Mormons, you think that Jesus was incapable of founding a church that could sustain itself and stay faithful to him for more than a few years, so it required a "reformer" (which one? there are dozens!) to come along and restore what had supposedly been lost.

Why would you worship such a Jesus? He was obviously an abject failure, according to your view of history.

70 posted on 02/10/2014 1:33:52 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

“Is that when the Holy Spirit started his 1500-year long nap? Or was he away on important business?”

Why would you think the Holy Spirit was not actively at work??

“Like the Mormons, you think that Jesus was incapable of founding a church that could sustain itself and stay faithful to him for more than a few years, so it required a “reformer” (which one? there are dozens!) to come along and restore what had supposedly been lost.”

No I do not. Where I likely differ from the standard Roman belief is that I don’t believe Christ founded a “church”. He said He was founding an assembly. The errors of man and the sins of man cannot stand in His way, anymore than a rock can stop a river.

“Why would you worship such a Jesus? He was obviously an abject failure, according to your view of history.”

Because the Christ I worship isn’t the one you imagine. He has never failed. Yes men fail, yes churches fail, yes paganism renders churches neutered, but that does not stop the plan of God any more than Israel’s failures.


71 posted on 02/10/2014 1:43:00 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Campion
"you think"

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

79 posted on 02/10/2014 7:13:58 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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