Posted on 02/08/2014 7:04:35 PM PST by ReformationFan
I do, and as much as I can of the original languages as I can manage, withan uninspired but adequate translation into my own language. For that, there is only one to date, and it is that which is called the Authorized Version.
Baruch haShem --
“Do you believe peoples in 3rd world countries went without salvation PRIOR to the influx of missionaries? Say, in the 1800’s? The 1200’s?
God MADE His children, wherever they reside; I find it hard to believe you would judge them to be without salvation because of their locals.”
The simple reply is:
Rom_9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
God is not obligated to have mercy on anyone, and He chooses who He will have mercy on before even the foundation of the world. Time nor space nor circumstance nor prejudice can keep the elect from coming to confess Jesus Christ, as all those whom God has chosen will come to Him, infallibly:
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
If there is a person who has never even heard the Gospel, it is not random chance, or a lack of power on God’s part that caused this; it is, instead, the sovereign act of God who will “have mercy on whom He will have mercy.”
I like Augustine’s teaching on this:
“And, moreover, who will be so foolish and blasphemous as to say that God cannot change the evil wills of men, whichever, whenever, and wheresoever He chooses, and direct them to what is good? But when He does this He does it of mercy; when He does it not, it is of justice that He does it not for “He has mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardens.” And when the apostle said this, he was illustrating the grace of God, in connection with which he had just spoken of the twins in the womb of Rebecca, who “being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calls, it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.” And in reference to this matter he quotes another prophetic testimony: “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” But perceiving how what he had said might affect those who could not penetrate by their understanding the depth of this grace: “What shall we say then?” he says: “Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.” For it seems unjust that, in the absence of any merit or demerit, from good or evil works, God should love the one and hate the other. Now, if the apostle had wished us to understand that there were future good works of the one, and evil works of the other, which of course God foreknew, he would never have said, not of works, but, of future works, and in that way would have solved the difficulty, or rather there would then have been no difficulty to solve. As it is, however, after answering, God forbid; that is, God forbid that there should be unrighteousness with God; he goes on to prove that there is no unrighteousness in God’s doing this, and says: “For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” (Augustine, The Enchiridion on Faith, Hope and Love, Chapter 98. Predestination to Eternal Life is Wholly of God’s Free Grace.)
Nevertheless, we are created in God’s image and have responsibility for our own actions.
Indeed we do for the sins. For the 'good' works done without faith; rags. For the good works we do in faith that God has prepared for us to do; great we are enabled to do God-pleasing works through faith.. Only Christ's work has salvatory merit. Grace excludes 'works' according to the scriptures.
I believe the difference is how one looks at the word “child”. If it is equated to saved or going to heaven, then you are correct. However, I believe that they are using the word as in created or produced by. In that usage, since God is the creator of all things, every person would be a child of God. But to your point, that does not mean that they are saved and going to heaven.
The Bible calls those who aren’t saved by the Blood of Jesus, children of the Devil. One cannot be both a child of God and a child of the Devil at the same time.
aka extortion
There are two fathers; the devil or God the Father. People belong to one or the other. One cannot serve two masters.
It is important and to our benefit to have a correct understanding of the gospel. Not only is God glorified in us having a correct understanding of Him, but it helps us in our walk with Him.
If running out to spread the word was the only thing that was important, Priscilla and Aquila would never had pulled Apollos aside to correct his theology.
Act 18:25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. And being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John.
Act 18:26 He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.
Amen.
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“That is what you are really saying.”
No; that is NOT what I’m saying.
Many people never had a “first chance” in this age because of the deception, lack of good teaching from the pulpit and bad translations of the original manuscripts. (Compare the NIV to the King James Version of the Bible.)
What YOU seem to infer is that those that have never had a missionary visit their locations are doomed; but I won’t put words in YOUR mouth as you seem to have done to ME.
Have you read Romans 1? Do you really think God is unable to bring someone into His kingdom without a missionary?
I have no clue what you are talking about concerning different English versions of the bible. From your post, it would seem that you believe that everyone needs to read the KJV only to come to salvation. Kind of hard for those in the places where they never heard English spoken. That is goofy.
“I have no clue what you are talking about concerning different English versions of the bible.”
You seemingly trust EVERY translation of the Bible throughout time—you see no difference between the NIV that talks about ensnaring people like birds NIV Ezekiel 13:20, and the King James Version, closer to the original manuscripts, wherein the Scripture says “wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly...”
My point was that ALL have another chance to revere (choose) God in the millenium—those in areas not served by missionaries OR the word in THIS age. If you don’t believe in a God that gives His children a chance at eternal life no matter their flesh life experience, than YOU judge too harshly. I thank God He is more understanding and forgiving than man.
I am in possession of a Bible, given to me as a teenager-—A Living Bible-—Catholic Version-—Paraphrased. That’s the title. (does the word “paraphrased” bother you? It bothers me. Why should man “paraphrase” God’s word? And, YES-—the King James Version is the closest to the original manuscripts.)
This ends my debate with you, lupie, because you consistantly put words in my mouth that aren’t there. I tire of it. You twist what I have said to suit your attack against me, for whatever reason. But, it is not my problem.
Live a happy life.
Nope. I never said, nor even implied that I use the NIV. I don't. I use many versions,for various reasons, all of which are word for word translations. Often I use parallel versions. I am not going down the road on different versions, although I did get a chuckle out of the reference you used, but not for the reason that you cited. :)
My point was that ALL have another chance to revere (choose) God in the millenium—those in areas not served by missionaries OR the word in THIS age. If you don’t believe in a God that gives His children a chance at eternal life no matter their flesh life experience, than YOU judge too harshly. I thank God He is more understanding and forgiving than man.
I believe in the one true living God who has revealed Himself plainly in creation. You know, that Romans 1:18-21 reference again that you have repeatedly refused to address: (in the KJV, just for you!)
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Man, I’m sorry I didn’t answer, you got lost in alot of ping lists.
Revelation, I believe it’s chapter 20 speaks of the Millennium...The Lord’s day about the priest teaching since this is after Jesus has returned, He’ll be “teaching” too. When people talk about the “dead” rising, that means the Souls who never got to know Father, and Our Lord, and when they are “taught” then they get to decide who they will follow, God or Satan. Can’t give you the exact verse, but read the whole chapter.
Hope that helps.
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