[Mrs. Don-o]

I don't know that there's disposative proof one way or the other, but I can't imagine the motivations for non-family-members (like the family counselor and the nurse) lying to the press about something they claim they saw with their own eyes. It is not a professional enhancement, it does not flow from their training or education, it will expose them to ridicule, and they cannot profit from it.

As for cell phones being whipped out automatically: it is just as likely that they were too shocked to move. I would have been.

There's not enough evidence for me to make a judgment. To dismiss eyewitness testimony of two professionals out of hand, however, hints of bias.

[steve86]

I thought we had a once/month quota here for a poster’s use of the word ‘dispositive’. You’ve used it at least twice. :<)

[Boogieman]

“As for cell phones being whipped out automatically: it is just as likely that they were too shocked to move. I would have been.”

Either way, it’s quite convenient that nobody thought to take a video, since that allows everyone to speculate as to what happened without a chance that their speculation can be disproved.

“To dismiss eyewitness testimony of two professionals out of hand, however, hints of bias.”

I didn’t say anything about their testimony, you did. Don’t try to tell me I’m biased because of something I didn’t say.