Posted on 01/25/2014 6:51:38 AM PST by GonzoII
Look folks, there were plenty of arguments and disagreements in the Early Church. Some of you act as if everyone was in 100% agreement about what was said and how it was to be translated and copied.
That is clearly false.
And yes, there were people who took notes, who wrote things down, but they were often in direct conflict with each other, just as modern day reporters do not always agree one what was said.
The Church figured out those differences.
I do NOT claim that there was no written Scripture, I do claim, accurately that there was No Sacred Scripture bound in one document, called the Bible, accessible to the masses until the Catholic Church created such a document.
I challenge one of you to copy the entire New Testament by hand, and tell us how long it takes.
Think about doing this millions of times over.
Those who think written Sacred Scripture was ever easy to come by, before the Printing Press are absurd.
There is a reason why Jesus and the Apostles did not carry the Old Testament around with them. They MEMORIZED IT!
And for the vast majority of Early Christians, they learned by ORAL TRADITION!
Because a Torah Scroll plus Neviim and Ketubim weighs 40 pounds and nobody had yet invented a big-wheel Tenach wagon to pull over rocky ground?
How then, were very early church leaders Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp, et.al., able to so fully and frequently able to quote from both the OT and the NT?
Of course the Bible existed, and was read extensively daily and weekly in all the gatherings of the Christians. That's part of why they gathered....it was the way they had access to the Scripture, which was already pretty well defined long before later Councils made their official pronouncements on the issue.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.<<
Hmmm, even that small assembly of believers had copies to search.
The view that the churches the apostles were establishing were a bunch of illiterate Neanderthals is totally preposterous. The minds that created the Temples, Pyramids, and other wonders during that time are evidence against an uneducated populace.
There ya go again. Memorized what? THE SCRIPTURES. Now it’s incumbent on you to prove that any of that “oral tradition” was not written down and included in what we have today as scripture.
>> “Why did Jesus never point directly to Scripture?” <<
He did nothing but quote his own Tanakh almost every time he spoke.
No one “carried” Tanakh with them, they resided in the temple and the synagogues. Yeshua need not carry it because he wrote it.
Yeshua denounced all oral tradition, and held to his Torah completely.
The “scriptures” are the Tanakh. That is what Paul Peter and John called scripture, and what the Bereans used to verify the teachings of all.
Please spare us any more catholic fairy tales.
I cannot respect that which is contrary to the words of Yeshua.
Islam, catholicism, Jehova’s witnesses, and mormonism are all creations of Satan.
Those that “respect” such things will never find Yeshua’s narrow gate.
Why do you COMPLETELY ignore #363???
Word games...
Therefore, it was NOT as UNKNOWN as you'd like to claim.
So?
Ah!
We have a Reader's Digest bible scholar on our hands!
Vatican Space Cadets in action.
He is one of those liberal RCs who thinks the NT was not penned until the 4th century.
Even the regular RCs here likely would object to that school.
Have I just not seen it or have some of the beliefs here become more bizarre than usual?
I think its something they’re smoking.
Elsie posted a long list of specific scripture quotes, and they post back that Yeshua didn’t quote scripture.
Truly amazing. Jesus Christ expounded on the Torah, Prophets, Psalms and writings throughout His entire ministry. We have an account in Luke 4 of Jesus reading from Isaiah.
Matthew 4:1-11
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” But he answered,
“It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,’
and
“‘On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”
Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”
Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.
He is NOT carrying any “Bible” with him, or any Jewish Scripture with Him, is he? Because it was RARE, and EXPENSIVE and GUARDED!
Because He's the AUTHOR of it. I think He just might have a leg up on anyone else on knowing it.
Besides, memorizing it is a GREAT way to have Scripture available to you at a moment's notice, without having to carry a Bible around with you.
When the Bible is basically held as superfluous, or a servant to support traditions of Rome, with her being supreme, then both the souls as well as the bodies of men are in danger
“I think its something they’re smoking.”
Maybe Colorado and Washington state RCs:)
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