[BlatherNaut]

I guess sometimes their Augustinian roots come out! Notice he is the only “church father” they really don’t want to talk about?

To the contrary.

ST. AUGUSTINE: “The centurion Cornelius, before Baptism, was better than Simon [Magus], who had been baptized. For Cornelius, even before Baptism, was filled with the Holy Ghost, while Simon, after Baptism, was puffed up with an unclean spirit”.

[HarleyD]

To the contrary. ...ST. AUGUSTINE

OK. I'd love to see some quotes from A Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints.

[redleghunter]

Off topic but related...I find it interesting two of the best examples of great faith in the NT are not only Romans but soldiers.