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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for your reply.

I think we’re in agreement here. I’m interested to hear the basis and foundations for those who disagree.


84 posted on 01/23/2014 3:30:31 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; editor-surveyor; metmom

editor-surveyor points out enduring to the end. He is correct. What I want to point out “we” are not the authors of salvation...God is the Author.

Second point is we are not alone in our outlook of perseverance. Paul tells us God is Sovereign in the “process” of Justification, Sanctification and ultimately Glorification.

So the below reference in Romans 8 tells us we are saved, we are being saved and will ultimately shed the corrupt for the incorruptible at the Resurrection; which is the final “stage” of our promised salvation.

Romans 8:26-39 NASB

In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Just as it is written, “F or Y our sake we are being put to death all day long ; W e were considered as sheep to be slaughtered .” But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


93 posted on 01/23/2014 4:56:38 PM PST by redleghunter
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