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Advocates say it isn't enough for churches to enact policies to prevent child sexual abuse, but churches where abuse has already occured must be more vocal in helping police catch predators.
A victim support group held signs outside a Houston megachurch Jan. 9 calling for greater transparency about the reporting of child sexual abuse in Southern Baptist churches.
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There will be loss.
1Co 3:11-15
(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(13) Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
(14) If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(15) If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Can what?
Repentance is simply changing our thinking back towards Him. All throughout the Old Testament Prophets, where it is reiterated: "Return to God, so He may return to you!", we see a similar relationship.
When we return to God, it is through faith in Christ. Specifically, it is of His work on the Cross to which we think in salvation.
We use the phrase, faith alone in Christ alone, to help reiterate the object of our thinking.
When we focus upon Him and His work on the Cross, we recognize the sin we committed, known or unknown, was imputed on Him on the Cross and has already been judged.
That judgment is over.
We still are still His once we have salvation. No amount of sin will remove that relationship, because sin has already been judged at the Cross.
We confess those sins, evidence our faith by an action of our heart, not merely our mind, and He is sure and just to forgive us those sins. Our perspective of our relationship with Him is re-established by 1stJn1:9.
It isn't as if the post-salvation sin is new to God. He knew each and every one that will ever be committed when He was imputed with them on the Cross.
He doesn't do anything that is good for nothingness. When He first saved us, He already knew of every sin we would ever commit. Forgiveness of past sins occurred at the moment of salvation, and from our perspective, the forgiveness of postsalvation sin occurs at the moment we turn back to Him and confess them to Him.
>> “There will be loss.” <<
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Those verses are applicable only to those that remain technically in covenant, yet whose lives have taken on goals that do not enrich their spiritual being.
It is similar to Yeshua’s parable of the man who built on sand.
We ARE in covenant, covenant with Christ, the new covenant in His blood.
It is similar to Yeshua’s parable of the man who built on sand.
The *rock* is Jesus*.
1 Corinthians 10:4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
>> “We ARE in covenant, covenant with Christ, the new covenant in His blood.” <<
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Only if we “endure to the end.”
And that is the Renewed covenant in his blood. The same covenant with the same people and the same outcome, but now assured by the acceptable sacrifice.
One can break covenant, if one is willing to pay the price. Yeshua says many will do that.
Forgiveness associated with presalvation sin, as in Col 2:13-14 uses the word CHARIZOMAI, associated with eternal life, whereas the pardon/forgiveness of post salvation sin is associated with returning to the spiritual life, using the word, APHIEMI.
Galatians 3:1-9 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
Thanks, but my question was different:
Will there be regret, remorse, or envy for some in heaven?
I think this gets more to the point of your theology. If there is a felt loss then there is regret, remorse or envy - it the loss matters to us this is how.
If there isn't, then it doesn't matter, we are oblivious to it. If it does matter, well, then you have the problem of regret, remorse, or envy in heaven.
Ok. So if we do not turn back to Him (repent) and confess, then no forgiveness.
I think we are back where we were earlier. Do you have a theology where you do not turn back to Him and do not confess and still are saved?
That judgment is over.
Are you saying there is no judgement upon our death?
You still have eternal life(salvation), but your spiritual walk is halted (sanctification and Divine Good Works), in a state such as grieving or prolonged, quenching the Holy Spirit, possibly only performing dead works or human good works not receiving any future reward.
It applies more to this life prior to the first death.
Not for sin. That was judged on the Cross.
Nope. Where we started was post 49 where you asked of sin is forgiven without repentance.
The answer is no. How do you think sin is forgiven?
Christ does not judge the dead?
So, again: do you have saved in heaven that are not forgiven? I think we've been here before.
You seem to be saying one can sin without repentance and be saved..
Here's the full post for reference:
You seem to be saying one can sin without repentance and be saved; but no one saved would.So you can if you are saved, but if you do you are not saved.
IOW, bottom line, you can’t and be saved. Correct?
You said earlier: “all future sins are forgiven.”
Yet here you say: “you asked of sin is forgiven without repentance.The answer is no.”
Are all future sins forgiven for the saved no matter what? Or only with repentance?
Please provide a quote from Scripture where we are told Jesus Christ will judge the dead for sin? (not the Books of Life or Works, but for their personal sin)
It’s not there, because he doesn’t judge their sin. It’s already been judged. That isn’t the issue at the Great White Throne Judgment.
When one confesses their sin they are forgiven. 1 John 1:9
Do you understand what repentance and confession are and what the difference is?
Do you understand what the new birth is about? What being a new creature in Christ is about?
What being crucified in Christ is?
You have not yet addressed those points but keep going on about confession and forgiveness apparently without the recognition of the distinction that God makes of the new man, the spiritual man, and the old man, the flesh part of our nature.
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