Posted on 01/18/2014 8:13:09 PM PST by Coleus
So, as I asked another on this thread...
Is Mary in Heaven, Limbo, Purgatory (oh wait. she like Christ was without sin??) or sleeping with the rest of the saints in Christ until the Resurrection?
Why pray to her? Does Jesus need her help getting everything done?
Mary was assumed into heaven. The Early Church Fathers wrote about what happened. It’s also called The Dormition of Mary by the Orthodox Church.
Jesus Himself taught us how to pray.
The Veil of the Temple was rent.
There is now no need for a priest, or a saint, or Mother Mary.
We have direct access to God, through Jesus Christ. He is the sacrifice, and the High Priest.
Anything else misses the whole point.... He is the fulfillment of the Old Testament Law.
No need to invent a structure beyond that...Apprehend the Truth of the Gospel!
God Bless!
“Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him
Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”
He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.” [John 6: 49-71]
Didn’t make it into the New Testament, though.
You’d a thought John might have mentioned it while he was busy watching the end of the world in his Revelation.
Sorry. Extra-Scriptural stuff doesn’t count for doctrine.
Kinda like saying what the Constitutional Convention really meant was....except we’re talking about God and Eternity.
“Didn’t make it into the New Testament, though.”
This did:
“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “
That’s cool.
I don’t consider you my enemy. I’m a Protestant. You’re a Catholic.
We have bigger fish to fry in the USA, at present.
All will be revealed at some time hence. Until then, my FRiend I wish you well, and may God Bless you and your family!
The Everyone Gets A Trophy Pope. It’s distressing how many are fooled.
Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
That’s the “Hail, Mary.”
What about it is a problem?
In the past I have come across a mass on the Catholic channel where it appears to be a group of nuns being led by a priest to say this prayer. Only they “chanted” it, repeatedly. Didn’t sit well with my spirit, so to speak. Possibly because I know that the Holy Bible instructs us NOT to pray in vein repitition. Also, nowhere can I find where we are instructed TO pray to Jesus’ earthly mother or anyone else who is alive or deceased, save for the Lord himself.
Also Jesus is my saviour. He’s all powerful. He’s the intercessor between God and man. Why would I need to pray to anyone else but Him??
1 Timothy 2:5
” For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,”
No one says it is necessary to pray to anyone but Jesus.
The question is: Is it reasonable to believe that God would refuse to allow the blessed in heaven to share in the joy of assisting Christians on earth? What would be God’s reason for denying them this happiness?
Humans (souls) are not angels. They are not us and we are not them. But as for prayer, if I am redeemed and go to Heaven, I will surely pray for those on Earth. I don't think free will ends at death.
Forget about surgeries and procedures to prolong life, I think many will be seeking a way to slough off this mortal coil.
My concern (fear actually) is that this generation, which drove the direction of our culture simply through overwhelming numbers, will have one final and lasting impact as they reach the end of life.
Of course angels are not deceased people. I remind people of this fairly often.
My aunt died four years ago. About six months after she died, an old boyfriend of hers, who was 92, fell on the ice outside his house, and was unable to get up. He said aloud, “Who is going to help me now?”
At that moment, he saw my aunt. She said, “I’ll get help for you.”
His wife, who had Alzheimer’s so bad she no longer recognized him, saw him from the back door, went to the phone, dialed 911, and summoned help.
My aunt died four years ago. About six months after she died, an old boyfriend of hers, who was 92, fell on the ice outside his house, and was unable to get up. He said aloud, “Who is going to help me now?”
At that moment, he saw my aunt. She said, “I’ll get help for you.”
His wife, who had Alzheimer’s so bad she no longer recognized him, saw him from the back door, went to the phone, dialed 911, and summoned help.
Amazing story.
Mary is the Queen of Heaven. Does that help?
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