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To: xzins

“On one point, however, Krattenmaker is certainly right: he argues that it is possible to believe in God and to affirm evolution. That is certainly true, and there is no shortage of theistic evolutionists who try to affirm both. But that affirmation requires a rejection of the dominant model of evolution in favor of some argument that God intervened or directed the process. The main problem with that proposal, from the scientific side, is that the theory of evolution as now taught in our major universities explicitly denies that possibility.”

This seems inaccurate. There is no way you can deny the possibility of divine intervention. By its nature, it is undeniable as a possibility, since it is divine.

The ‘dominant model’ of evolution appears to refer to that taught to young people in science classrooms, but this is not a very in-depth version at all. It is far more likely to be a general overview with blind sports colored by the teacher’s own biases. If evolution as a whole were settled science, why would anyone be studying it at all? I mean, why study the intricacies of a question you already know the answer to? In this field, as in pretty much every other field of science, there is vehement disagreement about mechanisms, time scales, and lineage. It is not some monolithic theory, which is a view only propounded by T.V. scientists like Richard Dawkins and *chuckle* Billy Nye the Anus Guy.


15 posted on 01/15/2014 9:50:25 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

The acceptance of evolution has profound social, and in turn, political implications.

The dominant model for evolution consists of “directionless”, “random mutations” which over time are preserved via natural selection for the survival benefit of the species.

Basically it is trial and error, or I should say error and trial, and more importantly, death.

Lots of death.

It is also an embrace of “uncertainty”. This is where it gets political.

There is soo much more.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 10:04:51 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: Viennacon
“On one point, however, Krattenmaker is certainly right: he argues that it is possible to believe in God and to affirm evolution. That is certainly true, and there is no shortage of theistic evolutionists who try to affirm both.

Here is another quote from the former high priest of Darwinism.

"A widespread theological view now exists saying that God started off the world, props it up and works through laws of nature, very subtly, so subtly that its action is undetectable. But that kind of God is effectively no different to my mind than atheism. To anyone who adopts this view I say, ‘Great, we’re in the same camp; now where do we get our morals if the universe just goes grinding on as it does?’ This kind of God does nothing outside of the laws of nature, gives us no immortality, no foundation for morals, or any of the things that we want from a God and from religion.”

William B. Provine, “Progress in Evolution and Meaning in Life,” in Evolutionary Progress, ed. Matthew H. Nitecki (University of Chicago Press, 1988), p. 70

125 posted on 01/15/2014 9:59:32 PM PST by GarySpFc (We are saved by the precious blood of the God-man.)
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