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There is only ONE WAY to be saved.
The Bible ^ | January 12, 2014 | knarf

Posted on 01/12/2014 5:53:46 AM PST by knarf

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To: metmom; Gamecock
"And I don’t believe that works contribute on iota to my salvation, not to earn it, attain it, or keep it."

Oh, the old tired nonsense. This one-trick pony act is truly pathetic. "Catholics believe in salvation through works" -- saying it enough times with your fingers stuck in your ears does not change the fact that Catholic doctrine explicitly states the contrary.

Does it annoy you people that the Catholic Church defined salvation thus hundreds of years before the reformers stumbled upon it and deceitfully claimed it as their own? Does this explain the constant, strident attempts to play Magisterium and define Catholic doctrine?

501 posted on 10/07/2014 5:32:24 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; metmom

Well, according to Trent you are anathema.

Congratulations.


502 posted on 10/07/2014 7:06:09 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock; metmom

LOL, I can’t wait to see the tortured interpretation that leads you to this absurd, patently false conclusion.


503 posted on 10/07/2014 7:48:36 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Gamecock

Check your church laws that were established at Trent.

http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct06.html

Canon 9. If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.

A couple more laws that you might want to consider:

Canon 19. If anyone says that nothing besides faith is commanded in the Gospel, that other things are indifferent, neither commanded nor forbidden, but free; or that the ten commandments in no way pertain to Christians, let him be anathema.

CANON 20.-If any one saith, that the man who is justified and how perfect soever, is not bound to observe the commandments of God and of the Church, but only to believe; as if indeed the Gospel were a bare and absolute promise of eternal life, without the condition of observing the commandments ; let him be anathema.

Canon 24. If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema.

CANON 32.-If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose [Page 49] living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life,-if so be, however, that he depart in grace,-and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.

CANON 33.-If any one saith,that,by the Catholic doctrine touching Justification, by this holy Synod inset forth in this present decree, the glory of God, or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ are in any way derogated from, and not rather that the truth of our faith, and the glory in fine of God and of Jesus Christ are rendered (more) illustrious; let him be anathema.


504 posted on 10/07/2014 9:46:54 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Trent.


505 posted on 10/07/2014 9:50:30 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: metmom; Gamecock
"Canon 9. If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema."

A condemnation of Sola Fide -- quite logically, as Sola Gratia and Sola Fide cannot both be true, and the Church teaches Sola Gratia. What's your point?

506 posted on 10/07/2014 4:48:33 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; metmom
quite logically, as Sola Gratia and Sola Fide cannot both be true,

Yes they can, and they are.

507 posted on 10/07/2014 4:53:45 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; metmom

The beginning of faith, the disposition to believe, is effected by grace.

No Googling, who said this?


508 posted on 10/07/2014 5:04:08 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
Grace Alone, Faith Alone...The operative word here is Alone.

How many solas to Protestants subscribe to, five? Thats quite a crowded party of alones.

509 posted on 10/07/2014 5:07:44 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Gamecock
Augustine, IIRC.

Even the disposition to have faith in God is caused by His freely given Grace. You claim that the Catholic Church does not teach Sola Gratia, and yet keep posting things that support the fact that the Catholic Church teaches Sola Gratia.

510 posted on 10/07/2014 5:14:20 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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