Posted on 01/12/2014 5:53:46 AM PST by knarf
You don't need a priest, or sacraments, or a "church", or a denomination, or charismatic 'gifts' or baptism or hierarchal permission, sanction nor absolution ...
Amen ... but too many have no idea whom Karla Faye is.
So the questions must be asked which RCs ignore:
1. Consistent with your literal interpretation here, no one can have spiritual life in them and eternal if they do not believe in the Catholic real presence, correct ?
2. Where in Scripture (even though that is not your real basis for assurance) did the apostles preach taking part in the Lord's supper in order to gain spiritual life in them? Or where does it show believers being ? Or show souls not being born again, thus having spiritual life in them, until they took part in the Lord's supper?
3. Where in all the aspects which John writes of in 1 John so that souls may know they have eternal life (cf. 5:13) does he teach that receiving the Catholic real presence is that means?
4. Where are the verses in John 6 that you listed infallibly interpreted, or is this something you can disagree refers to the Catholic real presence (i say "Catholic," because evidently it was the Anglicans that first began using the phrase)
Anyone on your list can fill in for you. But if you respond, this time refrain from resorting to your perfunctory images as a substitute for an argument.
Signed: NKP_Vet
Yep.
“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “
Maybe you should read up on the life of Paul(Saul)before his conversion on the road to Damascus if you are in question of the scope of God’s salvation. In my experience, people who immediately bring up mass murders in a discussion of salvation are gambling on the misconception that since they didn’t commit “those” sins they are good to go.
Besides RC priests being mostly lost via a false gospel, one reason is that hiereus is never used for NT pastors, nor does it mean presbuteros or episkopeō , despite entomology based on imposed functional equivalence (and all believers offer sacrifice and make up the general priesthood" (1Pt. 2:5,9)).
And Peter told Simon to ask God himself for forgiveness, (Acts 8:22) though intercession by the church elders can be efficacious (not as in the Last Rites), (Ja. 5:14-16) as well as by others. And binding and loosing is seen in exercising judgement in discipline. (1Cor. 5)
Very well said. Amen.
I don’t think you should (I don’t know the word for it) mock pray? for NKP, that seems very wrong.
I have no idea where Ted Bundy’s soul is and I don’t claim to be less than a sinner than he was, but I can see where NKP is coming from. It seems like a little game that a lot feel they can play with the almighty by having a deathbed conversion. I’ll leave it to God who’s forgiven and who’s not, but you are bordering on preaching cheap grace if you are out saying you can outsmart God and his system.
What does NKP stand for?
People's seeming confidence to speak on these things always astounds me.
I too am thankful to God for the Sacrament of Confession.
This, to me, is an example of standing before men as a sinner to confess God, and this means something— it means by so doing that He will not deny me unto salvation.
It is much more UNcomfortable than going forward in a revival setting with a coliseum full of happy supporters, loud music, on an emotional high.
It was "today," but he would be with Jesus, and Paul said paradise was the third Heaven, (2Cor. 2,4) not a natural one, while the Lord first descended first into the lower parts of the earth," before He ascended. (Ephesians 4:8-9) And which it is supposed that OT saints went, as they could not go directly into glory, not due to a lack on their part, but bcz "the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing," (Hebrews 9:8) "for it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. " (Hebrews 10:4)
But when Christ made the perfect atonement, "the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom" when Christ made the atonement for our sins, (Mt. 27:51) then descended first into the lower parts of the earth? " (Ephesians 4:8-9) and then behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. " (Matthew 27:51-53)
Thus "paradise" would be the third Heaven, the thief being with Christ who set the OT free and ascended to glory. And thus as affirmed in the NT when specifically speaking of the postmortem place of the elect, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. (2Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:21-23; Acts 7:59) And thus living believers would go to be with the Lord if He returns in their lifetime. (1Ths. 4:7)
Some here is speculation, but it is a reasonable conclusion.
True, (Acts 16:31) but the kind of faith that is efficacious is one that comes out of a contrite heart that God has opened,
The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. (Psalms 34:18)
And the faith is that in the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+destitute sinner, who thus confesses Christ, though the confession of Christ, which baptism is, does not save or earn one salvation. But which obedience manifests true faith, and includes repentance when convicted of not obeying.
Repentance is implicit in Biblical believing, as you can no more believe in the Lord Jesus and not have it effect your conduct, than one can believe in Muhammad and not effect changes.
Which is why i added my comment. But while RCs (if not you) are prone to charge sola fide with preaching a cheap grace, "easy believism" is what Rome most examples, as her faith as manifest by her works, is that even notorious liberal RCs are to be treated as members in life and in death.
Moreover, rather than the easy believism Rome associates with sola fide, in Puritan Protestantism there was often a tendency to make the way to the cross too narrow, perhaps in reaction against the Antinomian controversy as described in an account (http://www.the-highway.com/Early_American_Bauckham.html) of Puritans during the early American period that notes, “
They had, like most preachers of the Gospel, a certain difficulty in determining what we might call the ‘conversion level’, the level of difficulty above which the preacher may be said to be erecting barriers to the Gospel and below which he may be said to be encouraging men to enter too easily into a mere delusion of salvation. Contemporary critics, however, agree that the New England pastors set the level high. Nathaniel Ward, who was step-son to Richard Rogers and a distinguished Puritan preacher himself, is recorded as responding to Thomas Hooker’s sermons on preparation for receiving Christ in conversion with, ‘Mr. Hooker, you make as good Christians before men are in Christ as ever they are after’, and wishing, ‘Would I were but as good a Christian now as you make men while they are preparing for Christ.’”
More: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Reformation_faith_works.html
Isn't that the Catholic position??? As long as you get baptized by the time you hit the deathbed you're good to go???
When Jesus went out into the highways and byways to save souls, he excluded older people because they have sinned for too long???
Old sinners can't become Catholics??? Just young sinners???
What kind of unbiblical religion you got going on there???
If you have put enough faith in Jesus that you believe he has the power to save you, that is repentance enough...
“Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you - not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” 1 Peter 3:21
YOu might want to read that again...In the first verse if you remove the believe, but still get baptized, you are condemned...
The second verse eliminates any kind of baby baptism so that illegitimizes baby baptism for all Catholics baptized as babies...
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