Posted on 01/09/2014 2:12:15 PM PST by NYer
Oh boy. I should publish some of the conversations/arguments that my Bishop and I have. My bish ain’t conservative. I am.
Get your questions answered by sitting down with a priest.I love it! There's the answer for all "lapsed" Catholics.
I have major concerns about the liberal socialist US Bishops and their Conference.
And bigger concerns about priests and Bishops looking left, and away from abortion advocate politicians.
But, I won’t consider leaving the Church that Jesus Christ established.
Yeah.
But, I won’t consider leaving the Church that Jesus Christ established.Same here; I'd rather be shot than leave Jesus at the altar, because it would be nothing but a dead life without Him. Catholics have it all, but few even realize it. My b-i-l is an RC priest and after I asked him tonight how many showed up for daily Mass when it was -15 in Indiana, he said, "one." And then he said, she never came to daily Mass before, but after her mother died on Christmas day, she started coming.
Define “conservative”. If you mean does it try to conserve the faith once for all handed down to the saints, I’d say yes. If you mean politically, no. For one thing, that’s not its job. For another, it existed before modern politics, so it’s not really fair to expect it to conform to them. For still another, as C. S. Lewis said in “Mere Christianity”, there are some aspects of serious discipleship that look more conservative, and some that look more liberal or at least egalitarian.
“You are never a “lapsed” Catholic. The indelible sign on your soul says that you are a baptized Catholic. It doesn’t change.
Get your questions answered by sitting down with a priest.
We aren’t talking about other organizations that claim to be Catholic, but about the beliefs of the Catholic Church.
Those beliefs are very conservative.”
That would require finding a priest that I would even talk to, let alone ask any kind of liturgical questions.
You are kind to make the statement, but I’m happy with things as they are. Perhaps others could use your ministering to better effect.
“See voting records.”
Strange. Catholics have been voting for only 2 centuries, but the Church goes back 20. Wouldn’t it make more sense to look at those other 18 too?
Many seem to believe it is the institution of the human church that saves people instead of Jesus.
The American Revolution has been called a “conservative” revolution - but of course, in reality any revolution is - a revolution.The reality is that the Constitution is a progressive document:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.Article 1 Section 8. The Congress shall have power . . . To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries . . .
American so-called “conservatives” like us are not that at all - we are actually progressive in outlook, and expect liberty - the freedom to do different things than were done in the past - to be a blessing.
If the 'institution of the human church' becomes so repugnant to many, how will it ever have a chance to carry the Word? If the 'teachers' are viewed as (fill in your favorite cliche) - the same would apply. At some point, the messenger matters, if for no other reason that they are the messengers...
That is a true statement. Roman Catholics started voting in the newly established United States.
http://errantskeptics.org/Religious-Affiliation-56-signers-DeclarationOfIndependence.htm
” Roman Catholics started voting in the newly established United States.”
Yes, they were banned from voting in England by law. That law was not overturned until 1832 if I am not mistaken. England still had restricted voting based upon property ownership until the early 20th century.
But then, one could just as easily say that, "If by “the Catholic Church” you mean the average Catholic bishop/parish priest, that would be a “no.”
A much more unfortunate circumstance.
That’s another problem just not for Catholics...Why are we putting our young boys in soccer and not football and baseball. Hockey too.
I’m not “leaving” the Church - it should be something in side - not a building....and until the leaders of the Church stop this path that leads to darkness and misunderstanding...then I’m not going to support that leadership...and has nothing to do with abandoning Christ...I believe Christ went through and cleaned the temple when it was overrun by a bunch of self serving individuals and priests...the same needs to happen now...that’s all I’m saying...
I understand your point.
Let’s imagine that a great wrong were done by an individual priest or a group of individual priests, in violation of God
s law. They do this in The Church that His Son instituted.
Those going against God’s Plan, may be doing this intentionally or not. That is irrelevant. God knows in the end, hell will not prevail against His Church.
But, if we leave His Church, we lose. Why give these men a victory over you? And you are correct, Jesus Christ cleaned out the temple, but still worshiped there as it was His Father’s House.
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