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To: ravenwolf

The doctrinal argument of those verses ends up being whether or not those thrown in the Lake of Fire with the Devil live forever and ever - but in never-ending torment.

My understanding is that everything not in the Book of Life is thrown into that fire, including death and hell itself. Only Satan still exists in torment forever - as Revelation 21 tells us that death and hell are swallowed up in victory and there are no more tears or suffering of any kind. God will make all things new in Christ - even new Heavens and a new Earth.

As to the Lake of Fire itself - even Peter refers to it dissolving and melting the heavens and the earth:

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. - II Peter 3:10-13


101 posted on 01/09/2014 1:06:15 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

As to the Lake of Fire itself - even Peter refers to it dissolving and melting the heavens and the earth:


That is exactly the way i see it also, and as i said in my second comment to you, i have no argument with that point.

I don,t know where or what heaven is but i think the new earth is not just a rebuilt earth.


111 posted on 01/09/2014 1:52:14 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: INVAR

There’s also this passage, which is problematic for your view:

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


116 posted on 01/09/2014 2:21:34 PM PST by afsnco
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