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And have you run out of scriptures and ideas? I mean, you're back to metaphorically slinging mud so I figure you must be done.

And what's your answer to this:

You said: "This they believe, despite the fact that it was actually, hisitorically, celebrated everyday: “I promised you [new Christians], who have now been baptized, a sermon in which I would explain the sacrament of the Lord’s Table, which you now look upon and of which you last night were made participants. You ought to know that you have received, what you are going to receive, and what you ought to receive daily. That bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Body of Christ. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Blood of Christ” (Augustine, Sermons 227 [A.D. 411]).

I said: Do you observe this daily GPH? You insisted it was abnormal for me to observe the "lord's supper" exactly as he did....on the Passover. You did so by suggesting that 400 years AFTER the death of Christ that it was being done every day in the traditional church. Do you observe it every day in accordance with the quote you posted?

84 posted on 01/09/2014 10:19:21 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Salvation; All

“And have you run out of scriptures and ideas?”


We haven’t begun a scriptural debate actually in this thread. Though, we had it before, and I’ve had it with multiple people lately, for some odd reason. In this thread I’ve just been fleshing out what the UCG teaches, in response to other posts on this thread.

But, to begin with:

On dietary prohibitions:

1Ti_4:4 For EVERY creature of God is good, and NOTHING to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

On dietary prohibitions, fasts and holy days:

“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”
(Rom 14:1-5)

Again, on dietary prohibitions, New Moons, Sabbaths, and any holydays. The “ordinances’ that were against us, were nailed to the cross, therefore, we ought not let any one judge us in meat, or drink, or holydays, etc:

“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”
(Col 2:13-16)

On Christian worship and communion on the sabbath, or on the Lord’s Day, the latter is referenced:

Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Note, the “breaking of bread” isn’t like them getting together just to eat, it is the same as celebrating the Lord’s supper:

1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

“When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.”
(1Co 11:20-26)

Though, no specific commandment is ever given in scripture on when we should celebrate the Lord’s supper, or on the frequency. We only see, by observation, that they met on the Lord’s day for it (the first of the week). Whatever the case, it is not Passover, and there is no commandment anywhere in the NT to celebrate any of the feast days, since they, being part of the Old Covenant, are now made obsolete by Christ’s blood.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

In light of UCG claims of God “reproducing” after the ‘God Kind” to add more “divine” “literal” sons and daughters into the Godhead, and that the word “God” is a common noun for many people who are “gods”, possessing the title like a last name:

God declares that His name is Yehovah, the self-existent one, or, from everlasting from everlasting:

Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

He is not many “I ams,” but one LORD, with no other beside Him:

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

God is, by definition, from everlasting to everlasting, and no other “gods” can ever be created.

“before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10)

God does not change, but is the same today, tomorrow, and forevermore:

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Psa 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Christ is defined as everlasting, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow:

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

God describes Himself as the First and the Last, and thus, the same from all eternity to eternity:

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Compare with Christ:

Rev_22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

There are not three Almighties, but only one Almighty.

Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Compare with Christ who is, of Himself, almighty, and from eternity to eternity:

Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

God is a Trinity, consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who are one in substance, not merely one in “purpose”, as the UCG says:

Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)

The Spirit is not a mere “force” or inanimate object, but is God eternal:

(Act 5:3-4) But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?... thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Act_13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.


87 posted on 01/10/2014 2:27:13 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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