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“You quote someone who wrote and spoke about Herbert Armstrong. You will find a lot of people in UCG have opinions about Herbert Armstrong or the WorldWide Church of God.”


Not sure what you’re trying to do here, but your website clearly teaches his doctrines, relies heavily on him for their “opinions,” and even uses the same phraseology with similar examples. There is no question that the UCG is an offshoot group from Armstrong. Compare:

“The Hebrew word translated “God” is Elohim—a noun or name, plural in form, but normally singular in grammatical usage. It is the same sort of word as family, church, group—one family consisting of two or more members—one church composed of many members—one group of several persons.
It is referring to precisely the same Persons, making up or composing the one God, as we found in John 1:1—the Word and God—and each of those TWO Persons is GOD. IN OTHER WORDS, GOD IS NOW A FAMILY” (Herbert Armstrong, Mystery of the Ages, Ch.1)

“Elohim is a noun that is plural in form but normally singular in usage—that is, paired with singular verbs—when designating the true God. For a comparable modern expression, consider the term United States. This proper noun is plural in form but singular in usage. It is used with singular verbs.... We should note that since Elohim is the name of the God family, each family member can be called by this name.”

http://www.ucg.org/booklet/who-god/who-was-jesus/plurality-god/

“Again you discounted my statement to basically make up your own statement about what I believe...I believe the Lord does “command” his followers to follow his way of life and his way to happiness...”


IOW, the only thing you disagreed with was the presentation. You still believe that you are commanded to observe Jewish feast days and dietary laws, amongst other things, and, presumably, you agree with the UCG on why. You’re presenting their articles in an ‘Ecumenical’ thread, after all.

“That’s only weird if one isn’t used to looking at the bible to live a Godly life.”


Not eating Bacon does not make you holy.

“Your statement is still 100% NOT true. It’s false. UCG does not teach or suggest what you say. Even IF they did, which they don’t, it’s not what I believe.What you did was to string together somethings and then make an assertion. Assertions are not truth.”


This statement, of itself, is merely an assertion.


62 posted on 01/09/2014 6:08:40 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“You quote someone who wrote and spoke about Herbert Armstrong. You will find a lot of people in UCG have opinions about Herbert Armstrong or the WorldWide Church of God.” Not sure what you’re trying to do here, but your website clearly teaches his doctrines, relies heavily on him for their “opinions,” and even uses the same phraseology with similar examples. There is no question that the UCG is an offshoot group from Armstrong. Compare:

Nonsense. Ninety-nine percent of what I believe is the same as Messianic Judaism. Herbert Armstrong didn't invent anything I believe. It's all in the bible. Herbert Armstrong had a great talent for advertising and marketing and was used by God to publicize things like the feasts of the Lord, the 7th day sabbath and other biblical teachings.

Unfortunately, as noted, he allowed, within his organization, the Worldwide Church of God, things to happen that ultimately led to authoritative bullying by certain members of the ministry as well as a tendency to elevate speculation to doctrine. This ultimately led to abuse and failed speculative prophecy.

Again, you're attempting to link two completely different churches separated by structure, legality and philosophy based on nothing more than your insistence that they're one and the same.

“Again you discounted my statement to basically make up your own statement about what I believe...I believe the Lord does “command” his followers to follow his way of life and his way to happiness...” IOW, the only thing you disagreed with was the presentation. You still believe that you are commanded to observe Jewish feast days and dietary laws, amongst other things, and, presumably, you agree with the UCG on why. You’re presenting their articles in an ‘Ecumenical’ thread, after all.

Of course I'm presenting them in an ecumenical thread. If I don't the behavior I encounter is crass, vile, uncivilized and animal like. And they are the feast days of the Lord, Jesus Christ:

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Again, they are the days of the Lord, Jesus Christ. He created them, he kept them, and he keeps them today IF we let him.

“That’s only weird if one isn’t used to looking at the bible to live a Godly life.” Not eating Bacon does not make you holy.

Nothing makes us holy except the indwelling spirit of the Lord. And Jesus don't eat bacon.

“Your statement is still 100% NOT true. It’s false. UCG does not teach or suggest what you say. Even IF they did, which they don’t, it’s not what I believe.What you did was to string together somethings and then make an assertion. Assertions are not truth.” This statement, of itself, is merely an assertion.

No, I made a true statement based on experience, knowledge of what I believe, knowledge of the bible, knowledge of what my church teaches and experience of meeting others NOT of UCG who to me have all the qualifications of the fruit of the spirit. You're statement that I think that only UCG members can be part of God's family is 100% NOT true. Your statement that UCG teaches that ONLY UCG members can be part of God's family is 100% untrue.

69 posted on 01/09/2014 8:43:40 PM PST by DouglasKC
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