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Jesus Christ's Disciples Understood Him to Be the Creator [ECUMENICAL]
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Posted on 01/08/2014 1:11:34 PM PST by DouglasKC

Jesus Christ's Disciples Understood Him to Be the Creator

When the early followers of Christ say Jesus is the One through whom all things were created, they are clearly saying that Jesus is God.

The book of Hebrews speaks of the Son as the Being through whom God created the worlds (Hebrews 1:2) and who "sustains all things by his powerful word" (verse 3, NRSV). Only God is great enough to do such things.

John confirms that Jesus was the divine Word through whom God created the universe: "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:3; see verses 1-3, 14).

Paul states quite clearly that "God ...created all things through Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 3:9). He elsewhere writes of Jesus: "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him" (Colossians 1:16). He adds in verse 17, "and in Him all things consist."

The Old Testament presents God alone as Creator of the universe (Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 40:25-26, 28). When the early followers of Christ say Jesus is the One through whom all things were created, they are clearly saying that Jesus is God.

Jesus claimed to be all that God is, and the disciples believed and taught it. They understood that Jesus was "the express [exact] image of His [God's] person" (Hebrews 1:3) and "the image of the invisible God" (Colossians 1:15), and that "in Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily" (Colossians 2:9, NRSV).

They understood precisely who He was and still is from His own words and actions. There was no question in their minds. They had seen Him prove it time and time again. They would go to their martyrdom firm in this conviction.


TOPICS: Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: creator; god; jesus; ucg
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1 posted on 01/08/2014 1:11:34 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: All

Scriptural evidence of the divinity of Christ...


2 posted on 01/08/2014 1:12:00 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, the Great Jehovah


3 posted on 01/08/2014 1:19:38 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)
Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, the Great Jehovah

He certainly is...thanks for the insight.

4 posted on 01/08/2014 1:20:47 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Amen


5 posted on 01/08/2014 1:23:34 PM PST by Edgar3 (Libnorance is a mental disease, and it's getting Progressively worse!)
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To: DouglasKC

The author left out the verse that opened my eyes.

John: “In the beginning was the word. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us.”


6 posted on 01/08/2014 1:24:46 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican
The author left out the verse that opened my eyes. John: “In the beginning was the word. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us

Yup, great scripture and a clear statement on the father and son in the beginning. Clearly shows that John believed that the Jesus Christ was God. Thanks for bringing it to remembrance.

7 posted on 01/08/2014 1:27:14 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

For which sect are you claiming caucus protection from critique?


8 posted on 01/08/2014 1:28:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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For which sect are you claiming caucus protection from critique?

Not sure of your question brother. I'm pointing out scriptures that show that the disciples of Jesus Christ, my Lord, considered him to be God the creator. Do you disagree?

9 posted on 01/08/2014 1:31:54 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: MHGinTN

I may have mistakenly called you “brother”. If you’re female I meant “sister”. My apologies.


10 posted on 01/08/2014 1:42:34 PM PST by DouglasKC
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I’m puzzled. Do we really have that many Arian heretics on FR that you need a caucus notice on this thread? The divinity of Christ has been an uncontroversial issue among Christians since sometime in the fifth century (okay, the Lombard court only abandoned Arianism in the sixth century and some Lombards held on to the heresy a bit longer — I’ve heard claims as late as the 12th century — but everywhere else...)

If you want to point to Scriptural evidence of Jesus’ divinity, you’re missing the place where he says “Before Abraham was I AM”. The Jews understood what he meant, whether He spoke Greek or Aramaic or Hebrew, He claimed the name God gave to Moses, either translated or in Hebrew, as His own, which is why they tried to stone Him at that point.


11 posted on 01/08/2014 1:51:09 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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In past threads you've argued that Jesus is one of three gods in a godhead. I was wondering which sect you post for in order to get 'caucus' protection for what may be coming on this next thread from you.

I'm a 68 years old male, BTW.

12 posted on 01/08/2014 1:52:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: The_Reader_David
I’m puzzled. Do we really have that many Arian heretics on FR that you need a caucus notice on this thread? The divinity of Christ has been an uncontroversial issue among Christians since sometime in the fifth century (okay, the Lombard court only abandoned Arianism in the sixth century and some Lombards held on to the heresy a bit longer — I’ve heard claims as late as the 12th century — but everywhere else...)

It's an ecumenical thread my friend. People are free to disagree with the premise of article.

If you want to point to Scriptural evidence of Jesus’ divinity, you’re missing the place where he says “Before Abraham was I AM”. The Jews understood what he meant, whether He spoke Greek or Aramaic or Hebrew, He claimed the name God gave to Moses, either translated or in Hebrew, as His own, which is why they tried to stone Him at that point.

Great points and scripture. Thanks for bringing them up.

13 posted on 01/08/2014 1:54:49 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: MHGinTN; Religion Moderator

I’m not sure of where you’re getting your information from my friend. This is not a caucus thread. It’s ecumenical designed to promote reasoned discussion of the topic and keep it free of flame wars. Thanks for your cooperation.


14 posted on 01/08/2014 1:57:39 PM PST by DouglasKC
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I was wondering which sect you post for in order to get 'caucus' protection for what may be coming on this next thread from you.

UCG apparently, according to the article's URL/link.

15 posted on 01/08/2014 2:03:59 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: MHGinTN
I'm a 68 years old male, BTW

Again, my apologies. I'm a 52 year old male.

16 posted on 01/08/2014 2:07:07 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Alex Murphy

Oops! Excerpted from an UCG book, too.


17 posted on 01/08/2014 2:09:26 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Religion Moderator
UCG apparently, according to the article's URL/link.

Hello my friend. Please refrain from submitting incorrect and inflammatory links.

RM, can you please delete the post? Thanks!

18 posted on 01/08/2014 2:21:51 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Alex Murphy

That’s not to say that you should’t make contributions to the thread. Do you believe, as I do, that our Lord Jesus Christ was affirmed to be God by his disciples?


19 posted on 01/08/2014 2:28:55 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: MHGinTN
Oops! Excerpted from an UCG book, too.

Tell me more!

20 posted on 01/08/2014 2:37:03 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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