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To: Arthur McGowan
I wish we could get Rome to stop sending us pro-abortion bishops.

I wish that we could get Rome to stop sending us naïve and cowardly bishops.

And I also wish Rome would stop teaching that we can trust civil government (or, for that matter, any civil institution) to do any good for people (because, combined with their naïveté and cowardice, that translates into putting themselves in subjugation to evil).

Consider the following:


For example, Pius X very clearly outlined the responsibility of bishops toward labor unions:

7. Furthermore, if Catholics are to be permitted to join the trade unions, these associations must avoid everything that is not in accord, either in principle or practice, with the teachings and commandments of the Church or the proper ecclesiastical authorities. Similarly, everything is to be avoided in their literature or public utterances or actions which in the above view would incur censure.

The Bishops, therefore, should consider it their sacred duty to observe carefully the conduct of all these associations and to watch diligently that the Catholic members do not suffer any harm as a result of their participation. The Catholic members themselves, however, should never permit the unions, whether for the sake of material interests of their members or the union cause as such, to proclaim or support teachings or to engage in activities which would conflict in any way with the directives proclaimed by the supreme teaching authority of the Church, especially those mentioned above. Therefore, as often as problems arise concerning matters of justice or charity, the Bishops should take the greatest care to see that the faithful do not overlook Catholic moral teaching and do not depart from it even a finger's breadth.

How many bishops scrutinize labor unions for their policies?

And, for that matter, when was the last time you saw the above quote referenced or reiterated by any modern-day issuance of the Holy See? (Note, as for myself, the closest I've seen in any modern issuance was a quote from Laborem Exercens, Unions do not have the character of political parties struggling for power; they should not be subjected to the decision of political parties or have too close links with them -- and that was over 30 years ago).


Or, take the UN. How much evil has come out of that organization? Yet the Holy See seems to have no problem with giving a de facto imprimatur to that organization (though, granted, they do lobby against some of the most egregious policies).


Or, for that matter, take socialized medicine. Or any number of other issues.


Pope Boniface VIII talked about there being two swords of power: the temporal and the spiritual...and this, all the way back at the opening of the 14th century. He clearly stated that both exist, but that the temporal sword must be subordinated to the spiritual sword (Hence we must recognize the more clearly that spiritual power surpasses in dignity and in nobility any temporal power whatever, as spiritual things surpass the temporal). Yet, for whatever reason, we are seeing de facto if not de jure that the Church is perfectly happy to have the spiritual sword be suborned to the material sword.

Until that gets fixed...or at least until that material sword is cut away and cast off...we can expect to see wimps like Dolan and Donna Wuerl be installed in place, while we can expect courage to be the exception rather than the rule.

28 posted on 01/06/2014 2:45:28 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

All but one or two unions (and all public-employee unions) are collection agencies for the Abortion Party. Has any bishop in the U.S. EVER made any utterance about this situation?

My bet: No.

I think I know why Donna Wuerl sells the Blessed Sacrament to Nancy Pelosi and other baby-killers. Besides money.


29 posted on 01/06/2014 3:03:29 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: markomalley
Yet, for whatever reason, we are seeing de facto if not de jure that the Church is perfectly happy to have the spiritual sword be suborned to the material sword.

"Christian Humanism" has been suborned to secular humanism, in part by ignoring the teachings of pre-conciliar popes such as St. Pius X.

32 posted on 01/06/2014 7:56:49 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: markomalley; Arthur McGowan

FWIW, I think recruiting your clergy from young celebate men has some consequences. Paul told Timothy to consider men who were married and mature in the faith. Not throwing stones here, but perhaps if it was allowed to have both demographics in your church may solve some of these issues. A few bishops who have been married raised a few kids may add a perspective the Roman Catholic church is in need of.

Food for thought.


44 posted on 01/06/2014 10:47:09 AM PST by redleghunter
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