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To: redleghunter
We have contraception, and transubstantiation posted again in one day. Shall I wait for 3am to get a Queen of heaven ping

They keep coming:

Swiss Guard Claims Vatican Official Made Sexual Advances to Him Monday, January 6, 2014 10:20:14 PM

Pope: 'Authentic' Islam opposes violence Monday, January 6, 2014 8:22:44 PM ·

131 posted on 01/06/2014 7:57:21 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Yeah I’ve spent the past 12 years experiencing “authentic” Islam.

It is an interesting position Francis is taking on Islam. What he means is the Qur’an is not as violent (as false violent religions go) as the Hadith. Interesting because the Qur’an is akin to their literal scriptures where the Hadith is lower in authority (by mostly Sunnis) and considered more like tradition. So in effect the pope is saying if Muslims followed their literal scriptures and not their traditions, they would be less belligerent.

I guess he was addressing the Sunni variants and not the Shia.
The Shia use Imam (emphasis on the 12th Imam or hidden Imam) oral tradition as more authoritative than the Qur’an and Hadith. How these Shia “fathers” interpret the Qur’an and Hadith and their added instructions and interpretations are supreme. It takes years to become an ayatollah because there are so many traditions to memorize.

The Sunni for the most part are the Qur’anic fundamentalists who claim the Shia are heretics for straying from the Qur’an and the rightful bloodline of Muhammad. The Shia claim the rightful bloodline too and believe the teachings continued thus through the Imams which means revelation of “truth” continues. They do both agree on the basics of the 5 pillars of Islam.

So Francis making this statement was saying more than meets the eye.


133 posted on 01/06/2014 9:23:11 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: daniel1212

Here is a bit more on the 12 Imams and their spiritual authority which of course the Sunni believe are false and pervert the teachings of the Qur’an and the voice of “the Prophet” Muhammad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Imams

Sorry for wiki but not at my computer. More if some are interested.


136 posted on 01/06/2014 9:30:30 PM PST by redleghunter
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