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To: ebb tide

So the author likes the idea by St. Alphonsus, that Mary foreknew her Son’s death on the Cross better than Pope Francis’ idea that she could have been surprised by it.

Note first that this is a far cry from the earlier “Pope has blasphemed” that you and your friends or alter egos were running around with.

Second, there is not contradiction. The pope stated as a fact that Mary remained silent “in hope”, that is she remained in the faith. In order to better deliver her astonishing faith the Pope points out that the natural thing to do would be to feel betrayal. The pope never said that Mary was actually feeling betrayed.


28 posted on 01/05/2014 11:59:47 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: xzins

forgot to ping you to the post directed to both of us.


29 posted on 01/05/2014 12:00:53 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

So now you’re equating Francis with St. Alphonsus Ligouri?

Secondly, to my knowledge, I’m the only one, so far, who has accused the pope of blasphemy. And I stand by it.

You’re false accusations have become tiresome.


30 posted on 01/05/2014 12:08:31 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: annalex; xzins

The pope said that Mary thought, “Lies! I was deceived!”

What part of “ feeling betrayed” does that not fall under?


33 posted on 01/05/2014 12:16:07 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: annalex
the Pope points out that the natural thing to do would be to feel betrayal.

betrayal: go against promise: to act in a way that is contrary to a promise made

The Lord's Passion was foretold in Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22:16 and was the fulfillment of God's promise. Therefore, when our Blessed Mother gave her fiat, she knew what she was consenting to, and thus the speculations regarding a sense of "betrayal" on her part contradict what we know to be true.

53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

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For many dogs have encompassed me: the council of the malignant hath besieged me. They have dug my hands and feet.

43 posted on 01/05/2014 1:10:00 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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