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To: trebb
I wondered much about Jesus' cry, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me.”. My personal belief is that this was the first time that He had tasted/experienced sin. The same sin which separates us from the Father also separated Him from the Father.

This statement manifests the consequence of Judgment. Jesus Christ was perfectly Holy. All sins of humanity were imputed to Him on the Cross and they were Judged in His soul. The consequence of that Judgment, was a spiritual death, a state of existence involving separation.

When He was separated, that was the spiritual death required of a Perfect Sacrifice to redemptively atone for the sins of all humanity, propitiating God's wrath, thereby completing the payment for sin.

Good and evil are not so addressed at the Cross.

It should also be noted that his address to Mary occurred after the Judgment. That means, when He addressed His mother in His humanity, he provided her an opportunity to observe Him on the Cross, as her son. This didn;t judge her errors or sins in how she perceived Jesus Christ, but gave her the opportunity to return to judge herself and confess and turn back to God through faith in what He had just provided on the Cross.

The only reason the RCC ever paid so much devotion to Mary was their policy to meet other religions half way. Most of the world at that time worshiped the Mother and Child as worshiped in Babylon, a purely pagan system of worship.

Mary was just as much in need of salvation as any other human being since Adam.

74 posted on 01/04/2014 4:24:01 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
Thank you for your input on Jesus/Mary. It is refreshing to read something that is more in line with reality and less a worship of mortal humans. Making the distinction of when the New Covenant actually came into effect is something too many forget to do - they don't seem to understand that what Jesus, the Man, said, had to be IAW the law of the Old Covenant because that is the law He lived under. Because of this, they preach "Faith, not works" (parrot it maybe) but still insist on works/rituals as being necessary for salvation.

Perhaps you can add something to help me in my musings about another area.
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew

I take the bit about all authority in heaven and on earth being given to Him to mean that He was, at that time leading up to the crucifixion, allowed to exert the full power of God as He wished and no longer relegated to just human attributes. I like thinking about it that way because it makes His sacrifice even more amazing - having the ability to stop it at a blink and still allowing Himself to be killed by sinners for the redemption of sinners.

85 posted on 01/05/2014 4:34:17 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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