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To: Cvengr
Of the three or so passages describing a direct interface between Jesus Christ and Mary, in each one, it strongly appears Mary is not in fellowship with God, but is being tacitly directed by the Son of God for her improper thinking.

Did Jesus turn the water into wine or not?

Was Jesus obedient to Joseph and Mary, in all things, after being found in the temple or not?

41 posted on 01/03/2014 7:12:04 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Jesus Christ was in the house of His Father. Joseph and especially Mary would have known this had they been in fellowship with God by faith, but instead they believed they had to help God to provide for Jesus. They erred in 2 parts. First they did not keep track of Him in departing from Jerusalem, had they been consistent. Secondly, they asked Jesus why He had caused them sorrow, when the sorrow had been caused by their own negligence and lack of faith.

In this sense they sinned. Jesus was not judgmental when they found Him, but rather posed the situation as a rhetorical questions to them, thereby giving them opportunity to return God, facing Him, and judging their own sins and confessing them to Him properly.

After this incident, even Jesus still submitted to their authority as a family and remained subject to them as he increased in wisdom and grace.

This incident is adequate guidance through faith alone in Christ that the pagan notion of goddess worship, placing Mary as sinless, is a false doctrine. The doctrines of Marion sinlessness have more in common with the Babylonian worship of Mother and Child, than with the grace of God upon Mary.

It is interesting to observe those who remain adament in their Marion worship, that they place more faith in Mary in her relationship to God, than they place faith in Jesus in His relationship with God as they think through these passages. It manifests the thinking of those who place anything prior to what God has provided for our Salvation, namely our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.


56 posted on 01/04/2014 12:48:16 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: ebb tide
Was Jesus obedient to Joseph and Mary, in all things, after being found in the temple or not?

LOL...Was Jesus good after he wasn't???

78 posted on 01/04/2014 6:47:48 PM PST by Iscool
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