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To: markomalley

That’s exactly right.

Hank Hanegraaff moderated a debate on Calvinism vs. Arminianism once where he touched on this very issue. He said these were important issues...but not “unto salvation” (???) and then said that good scholars differed and it was an “in-house” debate.

I kinda chuckled at that. Basically, his definition of “good scholars” was “good PROTESTANT scholars” and “in house” meant within the house of Protestantism. Calvin thought one thing, Arminius and others something else.

But then why restrict yourself to that limited pool? Why not throw Chrysostom and Aquinas in there as well?

This is not a question of “Rome says this tradition, but we stay pure of any tradition”. This is a question of “Rome says this tradition...and we say some other tradition that got cooked up in the last 500 years.”


8 posted on 01/03/2014 1:16:25 PM PST by Claud
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To: Claud; GarySpFc; Gamecock; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear
This is not a question of “Rome says this tradition, but we stay pure of any tradition”. This is a question of “Rome says this tradition...and we say some other tradition that got cooked up in the last 500 years.”

In order to make such an assertion you would have to point out what 'traditions' were created in the Protestant/Evangelical "mixing bowl." Hank H. was correct. The Gospel of Grace as presented in the NT by the apostles is embraced by Arminians and Calvinists. A wise man once said to me "the Calvinists are a bit too confident and the Arminians are worry warts...we do well to listen to them both.":) That about sums it up.

24 posted on 01/03/2014 2:11:06 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Claud; markomalley; redleghunter; metmom
Calvin thought one thing, Arminius and others something else.

And both concurred no one could come to Christ unless the Father drew him, and gave them grace to repent and believe on the Divine Son of God, Jesus Christ to save them on His blood expense and righteousness. Which is all a soul needs to believe, if even understanding Jn. 6:44, to be saved. But as for contentions on reconciliation of the efficacy of grace with human freedom, as if this was solved in Rome, did you ever hear of Congregatio de Auxiliis ?

....after twenty years of discussion public and private, and eighty-five conferences in the presence of the popes, the question was not solved but an end was put to the disputes. The pope's decree communicated on 5 September 1607 to both Dominicans and Jesuits, allowed each party to defend its own doctrine, enjoined each from censoring or condemning the opposite opinion, and commanded them to await, as loyal sons of the Church, the final decision of the Apostolic See. That decision, however, has not been reached, and both orders, consequently, could maintain their respective theories,

And a truce can be in order in such deep areas of theology.

96 posted on 01/03/2014 9:54:46 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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