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To: CynicalBear

>> “”:Anyone not blinded by heretical teaching knows that the seventh trumpet of Revelation is not the trump of the rapture” <<

.Wow! - Another one! - Special trumps for pre-tribbers.

The 7th trump is the last trump. there are no more trumps.

Revelation says that the 7th trump is when Yeshua comes in the cloud with his angels. Paul says that it happens at “the last trump,” the traditional end of Yom Teruah. They are one and the same. Yeshua also says that you must endure to the end to be saved. Maybe the pre-tribbers just don’t get saved?

That is where my money is. Only faithful believers that endure to the end get saved. Pre-tribbers don’t seem to believe, and think ‘grace’ means that they don’t have to endure. I think we’ve solved the dilemma.


545 posted on 01/08/2014 8:16:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>The 7th trump is the last trump. there are no more trumps.<<

Trumpets are mentioned almost 100 times in scripture. Not one of those times does it indicate that the trump of God at which the body of Christ is “caught up” is the same as the seventh trumpet blown by an angel during the tribulation. There are many more indications that they are not the same. The seventh blowing of the trumpet was at the destruction of the walls of Jericho as it will bring destruction during the tribulation. The seventh trumpet of Revelation 11 will be for the time of the dead while the trump of the rapture will be for the living in Christ.

Christ doesn’t leave heaven to meet those “in Christ” in the clouds at the blowing of the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11. The trump in I Thess. 4:13-18 and I Cor. 15:51-53 is about believers only but the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11 is about unbelievers and their destruction.

>> Revelation says that the 7th trump is when Yeshua comes in the cloud with his angels.<<

Nothing in Revelation 11 says Jesus comes in the clouds with His angels at the blowing of the seventh trumpet. But “there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail”.

The trump of I Thess. 4:13-18 and I Cor. 15:51-53 is an act of the grace of God. The seventh trumpet of Revelation 11 is an act of the wrath of God.

Only the cults and the deceived try to make the two the same.

558 posted on 01/09/2014 7:08:45 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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