From post 251.
“Show me from scripture where that means the “church” and the “church” only is what Jesus was “given” if that’s what you believe.”
>>For example, to assert that John 6:35-40 refers only to the Jews, and not all believers, if disingenuous at best.<<
Who ever said it referred to Jews only? It was you who eliminated one of the aspects of “all which he hath given me”. Jesus was after all to be “King of the Jews”. That hasn’t happened yet.
>>When I took of the pre-trib glasses,<<
I didn’t come “from” pre trib through study. I came to the belief in pre trib through study. Your belief that there is not distinction between the Covenant with the Nation of Israel and the church denies the truth of prophecy. While there is not difference between Jew and Gentile in this age of grace or the church there most certainly is when it comes to the NATION of Israel and God’s covenant with them.
Then, after reading my response in 255 that John 6:35-47 clearly refers to believers, i.e. the church, you wrote in 268:
Who ever said it referred to Jews only?
I would argue Jews are not even in view in John 6:35-47, rather, it is believers in Christ. Who, incidentally, will be raised at the last day. To wit:
John 6:40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
This is all BELIEVERS in Christ, for, as Galatians 3:28 says,
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
All of your obsession with the Nation of Israel is moot, for they will only be saved when they believe on Christ. As it is written:
Acts 4:11"He is the stone whcih was rejected by you, the builders, but which became the chief corner stone. 12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Here's the rub, dispensationalism, as set up by Darby in the early 1800's, and perpetuated by Scofield's notes.
Salvation has always been by faith, period. All believers are Abaraham's children, by faith.
As Paul stated in Galations 3:7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.
Paul clarified this in
Romans 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The remnant in Israel will only be saved when they turn to the one whom they have pierced, and become believers, and will thus be grafted back into the good vine, which is Christ.