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To: DouglasKC

“You can call me names all day but it still doesn’t change what the bible says.”


And you can repeat this until you turn blue, or hell swallows you up, but all your verse says is that “of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, etc”. Without actually saying ‘WHAT’ the doctrine is.

Meanwhile, the only mandate we actually receive in the Gospel for the purpose of salvation is “Believe,” and the only practices actually enjoined on all Christians universally (but not for salvation) are baptism, and the Lord’s Supper.

As Barnes observes:

“... on the question whether it [the laying on of hands] is to be regarded as of perpetual obligation in the Church, we are to remember:
(1) That the apostles were endowed with the power of imparting the influences of the Holy Spirit in a miraculous or extraordinary manner. It was with reference to such an imparting of the Holy Spirit that the expression is used in each of the cases where it occurs in the New Testament.
(2) the Saviour did not appoint the imposition of the hands of a “bishop” to be one of the rites or ceremonies to be observed perpetually in the Church. The injunction to be baptized and to observe his supper is positive, and is universal in its obligation. But there is no such command respecting the imposition of hands.”

You can copy and paste the same verse over and over again, but you cannot prove what the “doctrine” even is, nor provide any actual command to perform it, nor can you actually explain the objections already presented, but must imagine that Philip transferred the Spirit to the Ethiopian secretly, or else that the Spirit caught him away before he could finish “converting” the Ethiopian. You also cannot demonstrate that you, as happens in EVERY instance of laying on of hands in the scripture, actually are transferring any spiritual gifts.


42 posted on 12/23/2013 5:23:08 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
As Barnes observes: “... on the question whether it [the laying on of hands] is to be regarded as of perpetual obligation in the Church, we are to remember: (1) That the apostles were endowed with the power of imparting the influences of the Holy Spirit in a miraculous or extraordinary manner. It was with reference to such an imparting of the Holy Spirit that the expression is used in each of the cases where it occurs in the New Testament. (2) the Saviour did not appoint the imposition of the hands of a “bishop” to be one of the rites or ceremonies to be observed perpetually in the Church. The injunction to be baptized and to observe his supper is positive, and is universal in its obligation. But there is no such command respecting the imposition of hands.”

Quoting the opinion of a "guy" to try and supersede scripture on the matter gives me a choice to believe the "guy" or to believe scripture. I'll take scripture every time.

50 posted on 12/23/2013 6:11:09 PM PST by DouglasKC
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