Posted on 12/22/2013 1:46:25 PM PST by piusv
"The Gospel tells us nothing: if she said a word or not ... She was quiet, but in her heart - how much she said to the Lord! 'You told me then - that's what we have read - that He will be great. You told me that You would give him the throne of his father David, that he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. And now I see Him there!' The Blessed Mother was human! And perhaps she would have wanted to say, 'lies! I have been cheated!'.
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Projecting?
Who says Our Lady had interior struggles at Cana?
Harmony, according to Merriam-Webster, is defined as correspondence, accord.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.
Are you claiming that the Immaculate Conception was not the perfect exemplar of the Lord's Word? What Bible are you reading?
Nobody; one of you wanted to discuss that as if it taught something contrary to His Holiness’ homily and I showed that the two are in accord.
What in His Holiness' homily, do you think, contradicts the fact the Our Lady loved God with all her mind?
Yes, some would like many to believe that, but such conflicts have been going on long before them Christers came along. Babylon, Greece, Rome, Egypt - and all the slaughters celebrated in the Old Testament. For more modern examples, look up the holodomor, and show was behind it.
"...He glorified His majesty and His independence by depending on the Virgin in His conception, His birth, His presentation in the temple, His hidden life of thirty years - and even up to the time of His death, for she was present then, and He offered one only sacrifice in union with her, and was immolated to the Eternal Father with her consent as once Isaac was immolated to the Divine Will by the consent of Abraham...It is she who nourished and supported Him, who brought Him up and then sacrificed Him for us"
IOW, she was in perfect union with Him. There is no rational way to square this with "Lies! I was cheated (even hypothetically).
I ask because if you had read the homily you will know that Our Lady did not utter anything like ""Lies! I was cheated". Instead,
...she was overshadowed with the silence of the mystery that she did not understand, and with this silence, she has accepted that this mystery can grow and flourish in the hope
If you want to be taken seriously, accuracy and reading comprehension would help.
Read it, understood it, and the reference is demonstrably inappropriate, "hypothetical" or not.
No, you did not understand it. A few posts back you were still thinking His Holiness stated that Mary accused God of lying. That is not a level of understanding a Catholic should apply to the homilies of our pope.
Instead of purporting to read other posters' minds, here are some more edifying reading suggestions for you:
- The Glories of Mary ~ St. Alphonsus Liguori
- True Devotion to Mary ~ St. Louis de Montfort
- The Mother of the Saviour and Our Interior Life ~ Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P.
Clearly annalex better understands Francis’ homily than any other traditional Catholic on the internet. All Traditional Catholics know nothing. If I’m not mistaken even the resident Freeper priest took issue with this homily early on in this thread. But Annalex knows all.
It is amazing to me how one minute Francis speaks off the cuff and therefore his comments are simple, or they were mistranslated, or they were taken out of context. But in *this* case, his off the cuff remarks are so theologically deep that we all need to study things like annalex to actually comprehend them.
Fascinating how that works.
To me, it’s much more likely that these off the cuff remarks weren’t thought out that well and he most definitely said something that was NOT traditional AT ALL.
I still wait for Annalex to show me some quotes from saints and other popes that even come close to what Francis said (rather than putting me down) to prove that what he said was in line with Catholic teaching. He hasn’t offered any because there aren’t any out there. This pope speaks novelties at best. Heresies at worst.
God help us. He’s only just begun.
There’re in total contradiction!
I quoted the Gospel where there is no indication the Blessed Mother had doubts at the Wedding at Cana. You’re quoting a liberal Jesuit, who is so ignorant of the Gospel, he thinks the good shepherd left one sheep to look for the lost ninety-nine; who thinks Jesus was talking about greedy politicians/bankers when He mentioned the “millstone around the neck”.
I repeat, I think Pope Francis has blasphemed the Blessed Mother by tossing out his nonsensical musings.
That's not issue. The issue is Pope Francis lying about the Blessed Mother; and you have yet to prove otherwise.
If I misunderstood your posts, feel free to correct me. Thanks for the suggestions, I have a strong devotion to Our Lady and am familiar with 2 of them; I will check out the third.
We first need to come to agreement as to what is it he said. You attach to his homily an assertion that Mary accused God of lying. That is not in the homily. The homily points out that at the Cross the promise of Archangel Gabriel seemed to fail, which it did, and concludes that Mary
"was overshadowed with the silence of the mystery that she did not understand, and with this silence, she has accepted that this mystery can grow and flourish in the hope"
When I see an ability to comprehend the written text in you three, I might be willing to do some research for you.
Right, at Cana there is no indication that Our Lady had doubts; the similarity is that in both the homily and the Cana pericope Our Lady could have doubts yet ended up in silence accepting the mystery.
I think Pope Francis has blasphemed
But I don't care what you three "think". You could not substantiate your "thoughts". I will pray for you all.
Yes, your inability to understand the homily is very much the issue.
We have repeatedly "substantiated our thoughts". Your response has been to post that we "lack reading comprehension" because we differ with your particular interpretation. All we are left with here is to disagree agreeably.
You three did not do that, sorry. You fantasized what the homily means without checking with the text available to us.
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