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To: tedw; GarySpFc; CynicalBear; Iscool
The early Disciples had it right.

You are correct they did. For example in Matthew's Gospel (he was a disciple, right?) he records the following:

Matthew 4:

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

And Thomas said the following:

John 20:

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

And clearly CynicalBear, Iscool, GarySpFc and quite a few others pointed out epistles from Paul where the Deity of Jesus Christ is confirmed. I just stick to the quite obvious Gospel references. I am sure I already provided the lexicon examples for "theos", so please pick one definition from the lexicon and please explain your choice. Because there is no wiggle room. Theos is theos in the Greek. I have heard from your side of the aisle that Thomas was not calling Jesus "My God" but saying "OMG" as if he had an iPhone and texting. That was rather a silly comment, no? Especially how the itinerant Jews handled how and when they said "God", "YHWH", elohim...For Thomas to say "OMG" would be busting a big one of the "Big 10." As I said above, I am only giving you a small sample. We both know Jesus used the "I AM WHO AM" "YHWH" or "Yahweh" statement in the Gospels.

339 posted on 12/24/2013 11:25:08 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

Jesus said, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega’...I am not going to waste much more time in this ridiculous debate...I don’t need to re-hash out the milk of the word with someone who refuses to believe the scriptures...


364 posted on 12/25/2013 9:14:00 AM PST by Iscool
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To: redleghunter

So your whole idea of Jesus being God is based on what Thomas said which could be interpreted another way.

Forget what Peter said (his confession), what Paul p the preached after his Conversion, and what Peter said (calling Jesus a man) at the day of Pentecost, and what God himself said as a voice from the Clouds.

You are quite selective and your evidence is thin at best.

I would also point out you didn’t realize Jesus is God, you learned it from a book. That is all intellectual.

What you need is for God to reveal to you, thru the Holy Spirit, who Jesus is as he did to Peter.

May the Creator bless you and open your eyes.


370 posted on 12/25/2013 10:48:34 AM PST by tedw
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