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Matthew 1:22-23 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 14:8-9 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”

185 posted on 12/22/2013 8:49:41 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

of course it means “God with us” ! God’s prefect will is expressed through his Son. How blind can “Christians” be?


186 posted on 12/22/2013 8:52:20 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: metmom

John 14:8-9 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father

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It’s hard for Trinitarians to understand but that passage is not saying Jesus is God.

Even in an earthly sense a man can say who has seen me has seen my Father. An Earthly Father can have the same characteristics and even similar appearance as his son.A person could say who has seen me has seen my Father and not be meaning they are their Father literally, but only that they have the same characteristics and possibly appearance.

Jesus expressed Love here on earth an that is the nature of the Father. God is Love. So those that saw God using Jesus also saw the Father. Hence, “he who has seen me has seen the Father.”

But such an explanation does not fit into their theology.

God himself said “This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”

He didn’t say “This is me God, third person of the Trinity”

But no amount of persuasion will convince those who will not see. God himself has to show you who Jesus is.

And, like Peter, He will show those who seek to know the truth will all their heart.

As Jesus said, “Blessed art thou Peter for Flesh and Blood have not revealed it to you, but my Father in Heaven”

This Christmas season may the Creator bless you to see the truth and not accept man made doctrines.


187 posted on 12/22/2013 9:13:13 PM PST by tedw
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