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Posted on 12/22/2013 7:28:20 AM PST by DouglasKC
“The Christian faith has not been tried and found wanting. It has rather been found difficult and left untried.” —Chesterton
I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.The story of Jesus is either the greatest event in history or the cruelest hoax. If it is a hoax, then the whole of the Christian message crumbles together with the hopes of those multitudes of lives built on his name. The apostle Paul said:
“And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.” -1 Corinthians 15:14-19 (NKJV)
But if the story is true, then this world has been hit with extraordinary news of earth-shaking consequences. Have you taken the trouble to decide which it is?
In a matter this weighty, it is in your interest to explore the truth or falsity of Christ's claims. Amazingly however, many people who don't believe have never bothered to explore the evidence in support of Jesus,[1] but to the contrary, often run away from it. At the same time, many Christians themselves are not sure, at bottom, whether the claims of their faith are solid. Is the Christian claim a hoax? Is it just wishful thinking? Or is it actually true?
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Complete and utter nonsense.
First of all, He never claimed to be God.
Secondly, the Thief on the Cross was saved and there is no indication at alll he believe Jesus was God or had teaching about the Trinity.
Honest Trintarians at least admit that the Thief knew nothing of the Trinity.
Honest Trintarians at least admit that the Thief knew nothing of the Trinity.
***He knew Jesus. And Jesus was sitting there dying just like him. He knew Jesus was coming into a kingdom. Sounds to me like he had as solid an understanding as he could have, given his situation.
It’s obvious to me that your mind has been set. The amount of scripture that proves that Jesus is indeed God cannot be denied by any person indwelt by the Holy Spirit through grace.
First of all, He never claimed to be God.
***Incorrect, as a matter of simple history
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3104583/posts
Honest Trintarians at least admit
***And what do honest non-Trinitarians at least admit? Most of the ones I’ve come across seem to throw large chunks of scripture under the bus in order to accommodate their idealogical views.
example
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3069049/posts
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev_21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Mar_13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Just a few of very many...Jesus refers to himself as Jesus, and God...
Luk_10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Luk_24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
2Co_3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
1Co_6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Luk_23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk_11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.
Col_2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
So here's a couple more...This is what's called the milk of the word...That Jesus is God or not isn't a legitimate debate...It's settled...
All three are God...All three are the Lord...They are the Creator...They have the same Kingdom...
While a person today is likely saved when he accepts Christ as His Savior with as little faith as the thief on the Cross, the same saved soul who stumbles upon the Trinity, rejecting the Trinity for a false doctrine, falls out of fellowship and fails to advance spiritually.
The Christian walk is a spiritual walk.
When we remove a post for any reason, we also try to remove the posts that quote it.
“That Jesus is God or not isn’t a legitimate debate...It’s settled...”
Baloney. You would like that to be true. While I do not thinkthat people like you are blessed to realize the truth, there may be others reading this discussion who will benefit.
I urge all readers to investigate the matter themselves and listen to the testimony of the Holy Spirit in their hearts. Then, like Peter, you will know who Christ is.
Dr. W. R. Matthews, for many years Dean of St. Paul’s, London:
“. . . the doctrine of the Trinity . . . formed no part of the original message. St. Paul knew it not, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed” (God in Christian Thought and Experience, p.180). “
Dr. W.R. Matthews: Born in 1881[6] he was educated at Wilson’s School and King’s College London. He was ordained in 1907[7] and was a curate at St Mary Abbots’ Kensington and St Peter’s Regent Square. After that he was a lecturer in and then a professor of theology at King’s College London.[8] From 1918 he was also Dean of the college.[9] In 1931 he became an Honorary Chaplain to the King[10] and Dean of Exeter.[11] Then in 1934 he became Dean of St Paul’s,[12] a post he held for 33 years. An author,[13] he died on 5 December 1973.
Did St. Paul fail to advance? Yet he never knew the doctrine of the Trinity.
The finest Christians I have known do not believe in the man made Trinity doctrine. Either you are repeating something you have been taught or your acquaintances are limited.
So you deny then the scripture I posted says what it says???
There are very few scriptures which indicate Jesus was God.
Peters confession of Christ was that “Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God”
Paul Preached that Jesus was the Son of God. At the day of Pentecost, Peter said Jesus was a man who God had made Christ.
Throughout the four Gospels Jesus says He is less than God, and even said he didn’t know when the world would end, that only the Father knows that.
John 1:1 the most cited reference to Jesus being God is the subject of debate by Biblical Scholars.
You have been taught wrongly by a Church that Jesus is God, yet you stubbornly refuse to see that the majority of Scripture does not support that. Honest Trinitarians even admit the early Christians had no idea of the Doctrine.
And God himself said “ This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”
Any references to Jesus being God are thin,and most likely influenced wrongly by Trinitarian translators.
You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.
There are very few scriptures which indicate Jesus was God.
Peters confession of Christ was that “Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God”
Paul Preached that Jesus was the Son of God. At the day of Pentecost, Peter said Jesus was a man who God had made Christ.
Throughout the four Gospels Jesus says He is less than God, and even said he didn’t know when the world would end, that only the Father knows that.
John 1:1 the most cited reference to Jesus being God is the subject of debate by Biblical Scholars.
You have been taught wrongly by a Church that Jesus is God, yet you stubbornly refuse to see that the majority of Scripture does not support that. Honest Trinitarians even admit the early Christians had no idea of the Doctrine.
And God himself said “ This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”
Any references to Jesus being God are thin,and most likely influenced wrongly by Trinitarian translators.
You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.
There are very few scriptures which indicate Jesus was God.
Peters confession of Christ was that “Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God”
Paul Preached that Jesus was the Son of God. At the day of Pentecost, Peter said Jesus was a man who God had made Christ.
Throughout the four Gospels Jesus says He is less than God, and even said he didn’t know when the world would end, that only the Father knows that.
John 1:1 the most cited reference to Jesus being God is the subject of debate by Biblical Scholars.
You have been taught wrongly by a Church that Jesus is God, yet you stubbornly refuse to see that the majority of Scripture does not support that. Honest Trinitarians even admit the early Christians had no idea of the Doctrine.
And God himself said “ This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”
Any references to Jesus being God are thin,and most likely influenced wrongly by Trinitarian translators.
You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.
There are very few scriptures which indicate Jesus was God.
Peters confession of Christ was that “Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God”
Paul Preached that Jesus was the Son of God. At the day of Pentecost, Peter said Jesus was a man who God had made Christ.
Throughout the four Gospels Jesus says He is less than God, and even said he didn’t know when the world would end, that only the Father knows that.
John 1:1 the most cited reference to Jesus being God is the subject of debate by Biblical Scholars.
You have been taught wrongly by a Church that Jesus is God, yet you stubbornly refuse to see that the majority of Scripture does not support that. Honest Trinitarians even admit the early Christians had no idea of the Doctrine.
And God himself said “ This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”
Any references to Jesus being God are thin,and most likely influenced wrongly by Trinitarian translators.
You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.
If you need to base your whole idea about Jesus from the bible, rather than the holy spirit within your own self...then if you compare the multitude of scriptures that points to Jesus being the subservient son..and line them up with the apparent scriptures that you guys claim say he is a God..then the weight of evidence is vastly overwhelmingly to the son and all that that conotes..not a God at all.
I suspect Paul had a rather intuitive understanding of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, especially after traveling the Road to Damascus.
That is absolutely right.
You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.
I see...The translators got it wrong when they wrote those scriptures that support the Trinity but they got it right when it comes to your theology...
The scripture is plenty clear enough to sustain the Trinity...I'll stick with the scriptures...
The Holy Spirit is not going to disagree with the bible...Sounds like you got the wrong spirit...
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