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To: GonzoII

“And when [Christ, the lamb] had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints…”

The Elders and the 4living creatures HOLD THE PRAYERS BEFORE CHRIST.

Nowhere are the prayers DIRECTED to the elders or creatures.
Nowhere is it written that they HEARD the prayers.

Roman eisogesis fail.


15 posted on 12/15/2013 7:49:50 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"And when [Christ, the lamb] had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints…”"

"The Elders and the 4living creatures HOLD THE PRAYERS
BEFORE CHRIST.

Nowhere are the prayers DIRECTED to the elders or creatures. Nowhere is it written that they HEARD the prayers.

Roman eisogesis fail."

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The rising smoke of incense is a visible sign of prayers
ascending to God, so they are obviously actual prayers,
and not their own, but rather those of the Saints the knowledge
of which they have come to know:

Ps 141:2 Let my prayer be directed as incense in thy sight; the lifting up of my hands, as evening sacrifice.

16 posted on 12/15/2013 9:08:12 AM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

It’s not as simple as eisogesis. The RC’s have been challenged and they have provided scripture. That is commendable. Now it is a matter of determining if their scripture applies to Mary. Obviously, Mary is not mentioned in their scripture. Nor is any other clearly former human being.

It is more an interpretive task, and eisogesis is an issue, but I’d place analysis and interpretation before it.


94 posted on 12/20/2013 5:16:13 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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